Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Actually, with SHIELD gone (officially) Ol' Thunderbolt might actually try something?

Wonder what General Ross thought about that whole "SHIELD? Actually is HYDRA" business.

....."Hail Hydra!"?

Probably the same thing Talbot did. Which is that they were always just playing everyone.

So I just had a thought: Captain America worked with Shield, and while he didn't necessarily agree with their methods, he knows that there are genuinely good people within the organization.

Couldn't his word do some damage control? Sure, it won't change what happened, but at least people won't hear the name Shield and immediately think It's those Hydra Motherfuckers!!!!

edited 15th Sep '14 4:59:06 PM by HandsomeRob

A major point of the Winter Soldier was that he seemed to be growing increasingly disgusted with the organization even before he found out HYDRA had infiltrated and taken over it. He probably doesn't have much interest in trying to redeem the survivors, especially since to my knowledge he still doesn't know Phil is alive.

That's true.

It's kinda a shame: he did give that big speech to inspire those who really were Shield to act against the Hydra infiltrators but I guess it makes sense.

Well, with that in mind, I think it could go either way.

At the very least, Cap would be certain a S.H.I.E.L.D. remnant would probably not have any Hydra infiltrators. Yet.

Ross is probably tearing his hair out that he can't touch Banner.

Well, The Consultant told us how well he works with Mr Stark...

It's like, they've been chasing after this guy for years and he's killed dozens of their fellow soldiers, many of whom in battlegrounds on American soil (Ross not being the type to admit that the battles taking place in public areas is more his fault than Banner's), and now everyone loves him for saving the world or somesuch nonsense and he's like best friends with the biggest douchebag on the planet (from Ross' point of view, though he's not too far off), who now happens to essentially run the revival of what was once one of the most influential government agencies in the nation.

It's like the entire universe up and decided to punch Ross and his men in the face. I've always thought a good Hulk sequel idea would involve Ross trying to discredit Banner again so he can be justified in convincing the government to recapture him, while the Leader manipulates everything from the shadows or something.

edited 15th Sep '14 11:39:01 PM by KnownUnknown

I wonder if they address the list of targets they mentioned...just being on the list would mark you as important for the fight against Hydra.

I wonder what happened to the Leader.

He got goo dripped on his head in the movie. In a comic book spin-off he tried to mind control Black Widow so she shot him in the kneecaps and put him in a tube. But now SHIELD has fallen so I wonder where he is now or whether the comic is still in continuity.

I thought he was the main enemy of the season, but I was wrong.

A *lot* of people captured by SHIELD got/are getting out.

Maybe even Blonsky?

The Leader is one big plot thread that I'm really disappointed hasn't been picked up in the, simply because Sterns' well-intentioned-but-with-Frankenstein-levels-of-irresponsibility interest in studying and spreading the use of Banner's blood and gamma radiation, especially the already unnerving extent that he's willing to go for science, was really interesting and felt like the most perfect opening for a later story the MCU ever put into one of their movies.

And then there was no other Hulk movie, so the Leader was delegated to tie-in comics which might as well be mud until confirmed.

There's a Hulk movie coming, though.

Eventually.

Yeah.

I didn't actually know that, but considering Ruffalo's job getting the big green guy back in people's good graces, it kinda makes sense.

The Avengers probably made people like the Hulk a lot if they didn't already.

We all know just why that is the case.

edited 16th Sep '14 6:22:15 PM by HandsomeRob

Well, yes, but I'd say that Ruffalo's performance helped a lot too.

Jeffrey Combs voiced The Leader in Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes. How awesome would it be if he played The Leader on SHIELD?

Very.

I loved him on EMH. He sounded at all times like he was barely restraining himself from hysterical ranting.

Seems he attracts guys who play psychos. In the 90's cartoon he was voiced by Matt Frewer.

I do wonder if, should another Hulk movie happen any time soon or any Hulk characters that were in the Norton movie show up in Ao S or any of the other shows, if they're going to bring back the actors who played them. Ross is probable, since William Hurt's Ross showed up in The Consultant, but who knows about Betty and Sterns and stuff.

I doubt we'll see Liv Tyler.

I can't remember the name of the dude who played Sterns / The Leader, and I don't know enough about him to know if we'll see him again.

That being said, Samuel L Jackson appearing in two episodes of Agents Of Shield (with second one being a full episode) despite doing very little is pretty big.

Even considering his deal with Marvel to play Black Fury, he's such a big star that it's hard to believe he could show up in the show with it's likely smaller budget.

That being said, said smaller budget is payed by the combined cash reserves of Marvel, Disney, and now Lucasfilms since all three groups are essentially the same, so it may not be that crazy.

We'll have to wait and see who will and won't show up.

Maybe he agreed to a smaller paycheck just because he likes playing Fury. Some big-name actors do agree to do TV cameos cheaper than usual if they like the character or the show enough.

I thought Ross did show up in AOS? Wasn't he the guy who attacked Fury's secret hideout? Or am I misremembering?