Follow TV Tropes

Following

Paul Rudish's Mickey Mouse

Go To

KingKix Typing the internet since '90 from Dante City Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Typing the internet since '90
#151: Oct 13th 2013 at 5:46:26 PM

BOUT' DAMN TIME!tongue

Dakota's blog An odd agent of justice
Shota Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
#152: Oct 13th 2013 at 6:41:47 PM

I think they're trying to spread out the releases of this series through the year, on how well they fit with that time. Ex- there will most likely be a Christmas-themed episode months from now.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#153: Oct 13th 2013 at 6:53:30 PM

That was neat.

Although I never really got why Furry Confusion was an issue. Humans don't get all weird about being a separate species from Chimpanzees.

nomuru2d Gamer-turning-maker from Port Saint Lucie, FL Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
Gamer-turning-maker
#154: Oct 13th 2013 at 6:56:31 PM

The issue is that Goofy and Pluto are both dogs. They are of the same species, yet one acts like a human and wears clothes.

Methinks you don't understand what Furry Confusion is about.

edited 13th Oct '13 6:57:08 PM by nomuru2d

Long live Cinematech. FC:0259-0435-4987
Shota Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
#155: Oct 13th 2013 at 6:59:03 PM

This is a thing about Goofy and Pluto that people have wondered for decades. Thing is, at the time when Goofy was first created, no one cared that there were animals acting and dressing like humans and some that didn't because no one knew you could make sense it it.

edited 13th Oct '13 6:59:27 PM by Shota

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#156: Oct 13th 2013 at 7:02:23 PM

[up][up] "Dog" is not actually a species name. Or a genus name.

We didn't split off from the chimps that long ago. And there was apparently still a bit of inbreeding going on for a few dozen generations after the initial separation.

So no, I see the two as comparable situations.

What makes us assume Pluto and Goofy are actually of the same species? Yes we call them both "dog" but that clearly seems to be shorthand, with Pluto closest to the common canis lupus familiaris, while Goofy seems to have come from a line of a more distinct evolutionary flavor, "Canis Lupus Sapiens" or some equivalent.

We still call him "dog" because we don't actually have a name for that because that doesn't exist on Earth in the year 2013.

edited 13th Oct '13 7:04:43 PM by unnoun

nomuru2d Gamer-turning-maker from Port Saint Lucie, FL Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
Gamer-turning-maker
#157: Oct 13th 2013 at 7:02:50 PM

[up]Are you really going to nitpick this?

Long live Cinematech. FC:0259-0435-4987
Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#158: Oct 13th 2013 at 7:04:14 PM

Does anyone have another link that doesn't block the video to my country?

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#159: Oct 13th 2013 at 7:05:32 PM

[up][up] It's like you don't know me at all. Of course I am. tongue

What makes us assume Pluto and Goofy are actually of the same species? Yes we call them both "dog" but that clearly seems to be shorthand for a phenomena that occurs in reality and is within our common experience, with Pluto closest to the common "Canis Lupus Familiaris", while Goofy seems to have come from a line of a more distinct evolutionary flavor, "Canis Lupus Sapiens" or some equivalent.

We still call him "dog" because we don't actually have a name for that because that doesn't exist on Earth in the year 2013. And "dog" isn't actually scientific terminology for species but common linguistic device.

[up] Sorry. sad

edited 14th Oct '13 7:20:39 AM by unnoun

nomuru2d Gamer-turning-maker from Port Saint Lucie, FL Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
Gamer-turning-maker
NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#161: Oct 13th 2013 at 7:39:35 PM

Yeah, I agree on Goofy probably being the human to Pluto's chimpanzee, for lack of a better term. Don't forget even Disney Dogfaces have different degrees of 'humanity' between them; in the comics, some often are portrayed with completely human ears despite their dog noses!

HellKillUsAll Since: Sep, 2010
#162: Oct 13th 2013 at 9:32:22 PM

I like how Mickey looks, pretty cute. The shorts are okay. My only complaint is how they sometimes characterize Goofy as a jerk (especially in "No Service"). At times, Bill Farmer's performance doesn't even sound like Goofy. IMHO, I like him better as a clumsy simpleton...with pants.

"YOU FILTHY SWINE!!! I WILL KEEEEL YOU!!!
PPPSSC Since: Nov, 2009
#163: Oct 13th 2013 at 10:45:25 PM

In-universe(s) at least, Goofy's thought process tends to go: "Pluto is a dog. I am a human. We are not the same species", and usually so would other characters. Even as a kid I noticed no one ever called Goofy a dog (though I didn't realize the implications of him consistently being referred to as a man until later).

Also, I think Goofy probably has almost entirely human in him and barely any dog; it's just that since Most Writers Are Human and so are most viewers, we tend to notice the few differences over the overwhelming similarities.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#164: Oct 14th 2013 at 12:33:02 AM

Goofy's more doglike than the dogfsces, st least. Heck, he's arguably more doglike than Msx, which raises some uncomfortable questions...

And on that note: goodnight! evil grin

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#165: Oct 14th 2013 at 7:04:35 AM

Oh, Pete has it even worse, since he's much more catlike in appearance than his wife Peg and daughter Pistol...

PPPSSC Since: Nov, 2009
#166: Oct 14th 2013 at 10:57:33 AM

And again these are only slight aesthetic similarities. The things that seem similar between the whole of the Goof Troop cast and cats/dogs are:

  • Noses
  • Likely ears, but not required
  • Likely skull shapes, but not required
  • Unlikely but possible fur, but not on at least the majority of the face

That's it. Everything that isn't listed is more or less human-like. I don't think Goofy is really more doglike than Max; Max has all four animal traits just like Goofy does. But while Goofy, Max, Pete, and PJ are more animal-like than most of the people around them mainly because they're the only ones who (sometimes) have fur, they're still much closer to humans than Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck.

edited 14th Oct '13 10:58:47 AM by PPPSSC

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#167: Oct 14th 2013 at 11:04:11 AM

Truth be told, I always assumed Mickey and Goofy didn't have fur, since their ears look hairless and their bodies and limbs look too smooth, without any noticeable hair. Even when they're wet, they don't give the impression of wet fur either. At least Pete has visibly furry ears.

CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
The Permanently Confused
#168: Oct 14th 2013 at 3:37:10 PM

So after seeing the latest short I have a pretty good idea as to why Max's mom never shows up in Disney media. tongue

chloelee12 Since: Nov, 2011
#169: Oct 21st 2013 at 5:34:59 AM

She actually did appear in some of the old comics but it was when Max was “Goofy Jr." and also when he was a Dog Face equivalent of a red head.

MrYoshbert A Fan of Feathery Flights of Fancy from ??? Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
A Fan of Feathery Flights of Fancy
#170: Oct 21st 2013 at 7:22:29 AM

Did anyone else see the Luxo Ball during the obstacle course scene?

Eh.
crimsonstorm15 shine on from A parallel universe Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#172: Oct 22nd 2013 at 8:10:55 AM

Another very beautiful-looking one, similar to the first episode released that took place in France.

CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
The Permanently Confused
#173: Oct 22nd 2013 at 10:23:21 AM

Oh man, was not expecting Willie the Operatic Whale to show up. That's awesome.

PPPSSC Since: Nov, 2009
#174: Oct 22nd 2013 at 10:50:01 AM

I love how at the end Minnie produces a table, two presentable plates of spaghetti, and a lit candle from her basket.

kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#175: Oct 22nd 2013 at 12:18:33 PM

[up][up]But who ever heard of an operatic whale??? "I don't BELIEVE it!" "I don't be-LIEVE it..."


Total posts: 754
Top