Ambiguous Name: White Haired Pretty Boy

I would just like to say I don't like "White Hair Black Heart", though it's definitely an improvement. Partly because it doesn't get the pretty-boy aesthetic across, but mostly because, as I understand it (correct me if you know more than I do), the archetype here is of someone who is cold and calculating, who will only harm others for a definite goal. "Black Heart" brings to my mind the maniacal, sadistic and Obviously Evil type of villain. (This might not be true for everyone.)

My suggestion would be "White Haired Cold Blooded". It also misses the pretty-boy point, but matches the villain type better and to me invokes a more fitting mental image.

The pretty boy aesthetic-based character type is being split off into YKTTW.

Hm? The trope I'm familiar with isn't about cold and calculating characters. They're violent.

"Black Hearted" would be without compassion. Cold or hot wouldn't matter. Also, prettiness no longer matters.

edited 4th Mar '13 9:11:15 AM by FastEddie

You sure it's "no compassion" rather than "being evil"?

If pretty doesn't matter, should I put the literature version of Silas back, or is that still just Evil Albino?

Looking over the examples, it seems the ruling trait is lack of empathy and readiness to kill rather than cold blood. I guess I was too influenced by Kaworu and his expies. So "Black Heart" should work, yes.

Evil Albino would seem to be a Subtrope.

I don't believe Evil Albino has any associated personality traits beyond "evil", though.

In regards to anything live-action, the page says that Blond Guys Are Evil and Evil Albino are the western alternatives of this trope so this character shouldn't be blonde or albino. I think there's a difference between saying he has a black heart and saying that he's evil. Being evil seems like more of an outward thing. This guy might appear good but turn out to be a traitor or trickster because he's inherently bad. If he's a good guy, he'll still seem aloof most of the time so at the least he is without compassion. I think prettiness is common but not required.

@260 I agree with.

Also, I retagged the page so that it displays as a TRS and not an IP thread (It still shows an IP icon in discussion).

Okay, I'm sorry if I sound like I'm complaining, but someone is going around changing White-Haired Pretty Boy, a blue link, to White Hair, Black Heart, a red link. I'm tempted to revert it so as to make more sense, but I figured I'd report here and see what you think. Hopefully within the hour the page will be made so that the wicks won't lead to a page that doesn't exist to begin with.

edited 6th Mar '13 3:21:41 PM by Psyga315

Messaged them.

We'll have to rewrite the description quite a bit before we can make the swap.

Ah. Okay. Um... I hope you guys don't mind if I stay here for a bit.

To go back to an old topic: Power Is Bleach.

I... Again, don't want to sound like I'm complaining or anything, but when I read that, I tend to think of the anime... I know that you can bleach your hair white, but...

Has anyone brought up Supernatural White Hair as a Trope Title?

Someone brought up Otherworldly White Hair (or was it White Hair Is Otherworldly?) as a title.

edited 6th Mar '13 3:31:49 PM by MarqFJA

Ah. Okay.

Myself I like Power Is Bleach as the name for that trope, but I'm unclear on what the parameters of it are. It's best to figure out what the trope covers, then it'll be clearer what names fit.

Sorry I started changing the wicks if we weren't ready yet but earlier I asked, "Are we ready to change the name and start changing the wicks?" and Fast Eddie said, "I'd say so," so I thought I could start with the wicks and someone could change the name. I won't change any more until we're ready.

What needs to be changed in the description? It basically looks like it's describing a black-hearted character.

It must become a "White means black heart" description.

Is White Hair, Black Heart distinct from Blond Guys Are Evil and Evil Albino? ISTM these might be a single stereotype that applies to any pale hair (with Evil Albino getting extra help from the red eyes).

Making White-Haired Pretty Boy redirect to White Hair, Black Heart will confuse a lot of inbounds that are talking about the appearance, not the appearance->personality stereotype. Can we do something to ameliorate that? Maybe leave White-Haired Pretty Boy up with a note saying White Hair, Black Heart has moved?

edited 7th Mar '13 10:00:37 PM by Antonymous

The idea would be to go through and clean up the White-Haired Pretty Boy wicks, and delete anything that's just the appearance without the personality.

Right, and as I pointed out in post 260, "In regards to anything live-action, the page says that Blond Guys Are Evil and Evil Albino are the western alternatives of this trope so this character shouldn't be blonde or albino." I also think "black heart" sounds better than "evil" because it sounds more deep and not just a superficial label.

Can someone say what needs to be done for the page to become a "White means black heart" description?

We can't fix inbound links, though.

Is Blond Guys Are Evil really more western? The anime/manga section is about the same fraction (25%) of White-Haired Pretty Boy and Blond Guys Are Evil.

Blond Guys Are Evil seems like a trope that's rather overused to me as it is.

Blond Guys Are Evil needs it's own clean up as it was originally one that had it's roots in WWII and the Aryan Ideal. Now people just list any blond villain when it's more for the Draco Malfoy types that are supposed to invoke that image of nazis or racial purity.