Male Roles Vs. Female Roles in Fiction: Discussion/Analysis/Troperwank

While I was a fan of degendering physiques and clothes, I am not a fan of degendering pregancy. ._.;

Would rather that one have been a hospital option.

edited 7th Jun '16 3:33:34 PM by Imca

There's precedents with Kayden Coleman and Thomas Beatie. Though I don't play The Sims so I don't know the distinction between having it on the character creator versus hospital options.

edited 7th Jun '16 3:40:29 PM by AlleyOop

Hmmm...odd topic I just thought of but I am curious. Has there been any good depictions of BDSM in any part of media? One's that don't show it as one-sided abuse perpetuated by a man/woman against a woman (or another man)?

I have not seen or heard of any good depictions but I am still curious nevertheless.

edited 7th Jun '16 3:43:53 PM by Ecrivan

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Having it on the charecter creator means its simply go to the bedroom and your same sex sims can now get eachother pregnant.

Having it at the hopsital means you go to the hopsital, pay (a trivial amount) and get a baby from same sex couples.

The later seems more.... grounded? Is that the word?

OK I guess that makes sense. Though maybe it should be both options. In some cases same-sex couples needing surrogate parents, but in others one of them is trans and therefore they're able to conceive naturally.

I mean I agree that that would be a more realistic way of doing it, but it's the Sims, realism isn't that huge at times.

Plus it's a much easier addition to make that way, each Sim will already have a "can get pregnant from sex" box that's ticked or not, they've just made the box tickable personally rather then it being set one way. Adding a new building that you travel to and interact at and pay money to use is a lot more coding time.

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Adding an option to an existing building, not really that much diffrence in work.

The thing is if I am reading the article right, sims still have a biological sex, they can just have there gender customized now.

At least thats what the whole "breast slider being locked" thing implies.

edited 7th Jun '16 3:57:44 PM by Imca

If you peruse any popular porn site, you could easily come to that conclusion tough. The majority of depicted sexuality in media in general and porn in particular build on a narrative of male dominance over women. Sexual/gendered curse words are for example.

Female sex acts and position are equated with being submissive, helpless and being taken advantage off by default. So making the connection isn't far off.

It's still wrong of course. And a sign that those critics have bought into that narrative. Or they're just turned on by it themselves, of course.

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OK, fine, but still - we see Xavier frantically trying to escape with his life, utterly helpless despite his mental powers, but somehow it's not bad to show a parapalegic trying to roll away from an assailant? While it's supposed to be a negative portrayal to have the Oh, Crap! moment of a hero getting grabbed by the Big Bad? I'm not seeing it. The look on her face is exactly the look I'd expect to see on virtually any other^note again, not Wolverine or Rogue ... or Deadpool, but for different reasons hero in the same situation.

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I think the Sims things are neat. Having more customisation options is almost always a good thing. I do find it weird that feminine breasts are locked, while pregnancy isn't. I'm pretty sure the former is easier to fix than the latter. They already have the body types, so why not the entire body?

As for good depictions of BDSM, they exists, but they're rare outside jokes and immoral characters. It's almost always a dominant woman and a submissive man. Off the top of my head, I can only really recall the original CSI with Lady Heather and characters related to her work. Considering the show, there were naturally less moral characters involved, but it didn't connect with the BDSM directly as far as I can remember.

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Hmmmm okay. Was just wondering as BDSM gets a lot of bad, harmful portrayals these days. The travesty Fifty Shades Of Grey being one of the absolute worst offenders in recent memory due to that just being horrible domestic abuse of all kinds disguised as BDSM

I imagine the Helpless X, Dominant Y thing appeals to some people because it's considered somewhat taboo and it's simply different from conventional sex. I seriously doubt that many would try to make that a reality without consenting with there partner and definitely making sure there were okay with it. I hear that amateur stuff involving that is very popular....

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My favorite depiction of BDSM in media so far is the comic Sunstone. But it is explicitly about that topic.

I read more into it. Apparently that was made by the husband of the artist who made Blood Stain which is one of my favorite comics. It also touches upon some of the risks BDSM people take with some of the untested practices there.....

Yeah I misread that. My apologies

edited 7th Jun '16 5:19:26 PM by Ecrivan

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No her husband.

I have no idea how common it is, but I've noticed how certain BDSM-related live action content sometimes has a little "disclaimer scene" of sorts at the beginning or end, with the actors casually discussing the content, clearly showing how they're all consenting, unharmed and generally on friendly terms with each other.

Sometimes I get the impression that it might just be there to avoid potential lawsuits from stupid people, but I guess that's better than nothing.

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That's in the trailer, not on a billboard. A billboard is a single still image that's supposed to amp people up for what they're going to see in the film. You don't get two minutes of spliced together footage to show characters from different angles. You get one frame and, in this case, that frame says, "Come see X-Men: Apocalypse and watch Apocalypse throttle the life out of Mystique as she flails helplessly in his mighty grip."

It's the same reason people get upset when they see posters like this one◊, where the male characters are doing a Power Walk while Black Widow's flipping her hair and arching her curves like a glamour model. Because the entire advertisement is just this one image and in it, they sell the idea of Cap, Fury, and Pearce as confident, powerful men, with a sexy but otherwise superfluous woman in a catsuit tagging along for the ride.

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While that's a bit of a.... flowery elaboration on the linked image, it's still not really the same situation as the Mystique poster. Showing her fighting back would literally defeat the whole point of the poster. He's literally mutant Thanos, he isn't the sort of thing you fight, he's the sort of thing you survive (or at least that's how he's built up before we get the inevitable "heroes fight back anyways" moment). The question shouldn't be in the pose, because that's what is necessary to convey the image of the poster itself. The question is in whether Mystique herself was chosen for a specific reason, which doesn't have an easy answer seeing as she's literally the main character.

Re: BDSM: Sexual themes, at least in western media, don't really get looked at that hard. That's why a film like 50 Shades can get away with so much bullshit, there's not much else to the contrary.

Yes, and maybe it's only because I spend too much time here, but we're talking about a superhero movie. His eventual defeat for this heinous act is assured. So I'm not seeing it in this case. I thought this was a frame taken from filming? Unless there's multiple times when Apocalypse grabs different X-Men, I figure they went with it because 1) he looks threatening and 2) it hasn't been in the trailer.

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It's a direct scene that happens towards the climax of the film.

The very first scene after Apocalypse wakes is him dissolving two men into sand and shoving a third by the neck into a wall to be helplessly swallowed by the sandy wall and choke to death.

The neck lift in Mystique scene happened right after she changes from Psylocke to attempt to beat Apocalypse, which was a massive tactical mistake but was done in order to buy Xavier some time, consider that she even got it light because she is only one of the few who got at arms reach distance from Apocalypse and lived.

The poster only showed the aftermath of her encounter and it was a terrible choice for a poster because it didn't tell the whole picture, in which she is getting held neck lift because she was fighting and lost.

Then it takes Sansa Stark to overcome the insecurity related to her powers to kick Apocalypse ass along everyone else.

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Yeah, the point of the imagie is to build Apocalipse as the ultimate threat and him handling her that way show his power as villian, the whole "show her fighting so I dont feel unconfortable" seen weird

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50 Shades is damn near universally hated though. Movie critics near universally said that it was up there as one of the worst films, if not the worst film of 2015. They would say it for the same reason I brought up too. It's basically just domestic abuse under the guise of being BDSM. It was also mentioned that Anasthia was a pretty bad protagonist as well for being so subservient to Grey. I will somewhat agree with that but....

....Grey did literally threaten to ruin her life financially and in other ways if she left him which is a literal tactic that actual abusers use in real life. The sad part about that is the fact there is a lot of people that will still ignore the reasons behind why abuse victims have a hard time getting out of horrible situations. That of course being one of them.

And good lord. Imagine if Anasthia was a guy. This rhetoric that he/she is too weak to leave would of been even worse considering just how bad media perception and society is about male domestic abuse victims.

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The Guardian has interviewed Hiromasa Yonebayashi, a director working with Studio Ghibli, and during that interview they pointed out something he said about whether Ghibli will hire a female director:

This pops up in an article that is otherwise focused on When Marnie Was There.

Wow, that is Positive Discrimination in a nutshell.

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What's worse is w lot of the lower profile movies in Ghibli do fit that description. Whisper of the Heart for example is just about w kid growing up and realizing her dreams.

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