The Scrappy Cleanup

Form Civilazation's YMMV page:

The Scrappy: Several, for a variety of reasons.

The biggest is by far Maria I, primarily for being chosen as Portugal's leader. The only highlights of her rule were fleeing with the rest of the royal family to Brazil during the Napoleonic invasions (which ironically makes her a more revered figure in Brazil, since the family taking residence there led to the country's independence a few decades later) and descending into literal screaming insanity during her last 21 years of life (which led the aforementioned Brazilians to dub her "Maria the Mad"). Needless to say, almost the entire fanbase agrees the developers probably could've selected a less embarrassing and incompetent ruler for Portugal.

Queen Elizabeth of England is often regarded as a miserable enemy, just for her personality. Her Catchphrase, "Would you be interested in a trade agreement with England?", has become a Memetic Mutation for just how annoying it is (in addition to the fact that Elizabeth's AI is notorious for making exceptionally absurd trade agreements). She herself suffers from Chronic Backstabbing Disorder and is extremely hostile and difficult to befriend, and will often denounce the player for no discernible reason. And to top it all off, unlike other leaders of similar, aggressive, dominant personalities (such as Catherine the Great or Shaka), she is woefully incompetent and will almost always end up utterly decimated by the other AI in any game she's in. This is especially bad, since her civ is exceptionally powerful in the hands of a competent player.

Alright, I have a lot of issues with the the Maria I paragraph. The example does not talk of her portrayal in the games at all. It talks exclusively of her RL counterpart which to me feels like real life troping. It is not even consistent in slandering Maria I as it contradicts itself by stating that in Brazil she is actually regarded quite well duo to her early role in Brazil's eventual independence from Portugal, theoretically making her more a case of Germans Love David Hasselhoff then The Scrappy (assuming that what the first paragraph claims is even true which I seriously doubt). The second paragraph is much better as it exclusively talks about Elizabeth's Civilization counterpart. Even then I think a few bits of it are hyperbolic, mostly the first sentence, and I do not know how the Civ community feels about her so some feed back on that front would be nice.

Beware, I live!

Again, feed back please.

Beware, I live!

The first example should be cut since, as you said, it doesn't actually involve the game at all. The second example should be good (assuming it's not exaggerating the in game details), but I would change the last sentence since tropers calling things 'especially bad' (or even worse, egregious) is usually unnecessary complaining.

As a fan of the game who still regularly interacts with the game's fanbase, Elizabeth is annoying, yes, but she's far from the most widely hated leader. Attila and Montezuma are much more widely despised for being backstabbing warmongers who are impossible to be friendly with and have powerful early-game rush units. I've seen people who will outright restart if they start next to Attila and have bad lands.

The Scrappy

• Fairy Tail: Anna Heartfilia earned some curiosity given her connection to Zeref and the Dragon Slayers, but fell into this trope when she was revealed to have come to the present with them. She leaves several Plot Holes in the process (such as how people in on the 400-Year Plan like Zeref and Aquarius did not seem to know this), giving flimsy excuses as to why she never contacted anyone for the past 15 years, and only served to introduce a plot device that would give Acnologia an anticlimactic end while denying readers the long-awaited showdown between him and the Dragon Slayers. Her plan doesn't even work, instead making Acnologia even more powerful, making her reintroduction in the story come off as pointless, though it did set the stage for two cathartic final battles against Acnologia's dragon persona and his human persona when his power became so chaotic that the two separated. In essence, her status as this relates to many considering her another example of They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character. However, the epilogue reveals Anna is now a teacher, and that gives her a chance to impart some of her wisdom from the past to future generations.

From what I have read, I can say that she’s a more of a wasted character if poorly written to say least. I think she needs to be removed

Yeah scrappys are supposed to be hated and that example is basically just a bunch of complaints about her not being utilized well. Which is not the same thing at all.

Cut it

Also from YMMV.Everybody Hates Chris

The Scrappy

• Everybody hates Tonya. And that fact is not even a joke with the show's title.
• Other characters seems to have this kind of treatment just for being a complete dick with Chris. One notable example is Miss Morello, who is almost always indirectly rude and condescending towards Chris and even disguise her compliments as racial slurs.
• Keisha, ever since the episode "Everybody Hates Halloween." Even though she is only rude to Chris in that sequence, which the narrator says may also have only been in his imagination or at the very least an exaggerations of how bad it was.

The first one has no context

The second one is a generalization about every character on the show and the character used as an example is listed as a Base-Breaking Character

The third one only lists one example of a time where she was hated, seems more like Never Live It Down

Edited by LarryT on Mar 10th 2024 at 4:14:18 AM

In honor of Akira Toriyama

I have watched the show and I can add some suggestions.

I say we keep Tonya, but her example needs more context.

Ms. Morello seems like a Hate Sink, so I don't think she counts.

Keep Keisha on there, but add more context to her entry. Also, fans did rejoice when they found out that she moved away.

Don’t really know the show so I’ll need help rewriting the entries.

In honor of Akira Toriyama

So there's this at TheScrappy.Animated Films, apparently copied from the film's YMMV page:

Not only is this a Zero-Context Example that apparently misspells the character's name (supposedly, it's actually "Goofinoff"), but even if we added more context it probably wouldn't qualify. The film is an incredibly obscure Mockbuster and the only two in-depth looks at it I could find are this blog post that seems to like the character ("I kind of like Goofinoff.") and this YouTube "review" that just generally craps on the film in a (very annoying) Caustic Critic style without singling out anything as especially terrible.

I don't even think this film has enough of an audience at all to have a Scrappy character. Permission to remove?

Edited by WackyPancake on Mar 11th 2024 at 11:46:32 AM

"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."

Go right ahead. The Scrappy needs to be hated by fans; such an obscure mockbuster does not have said "fans".

back lol

Regarding Ms. Morello, she has a lot of fans. People seem to find her Condescending Compassion to be hilariously over the top.

I think she's meant to be hated anyway (even if she does have fans, she can still be a Hate Sink) so that automatically disqualifies her for the Scrappy. I will rewrite the entries.

• Everybody hates Tonya due to her being an Annoying Younger Sibling who barely gets any comeuppance for her actions (towards Chris and Drew).
• Keisha comes off as a Scrappy due to her character derailment in future episodes of the show. She started off as nice girl towards Chris, but in later episodes, she developed a nasty personality. Fans rejoiced when it was revealed that she moved to Compton.

that looks much better

In honor of Akira Toriyama

This was added under the part dedicate to ''Persona:

• Yumi Ozawa, the one of the two Sun Social Links from Persona 4. She's constantly rude to you, and not in a funny or endearing way like Kanji or (depending on who you ask) Marie, but in a way that makes her simply unpleasant to be around. And her social link is equally unpleasant, full of heavy-handed angst and daddy issues. Probably her only saving grace is that the alternative Sun Social Link is Ayane Matsunaga, whose social link is uneventful and boring.

Feels like it's being shoehorned in by someone who doesn't like her. I know she's not the most popular Social Link but I don't think I've heard much about her, but what does everyone think?

Dunno. Not necessarily active in the P4 fandom but I suppose it can go.

Hello Monsund. That's right! It is I. I am the one who added Cecil Turtle to the Scrappy page, because I really hate this turtle. In my defense, I wasn't aware that he isn't The Scrappy, mainly because he was still listed as one in the Looney Tunes YMMV page, before someone deleted him after I added him to the Scrappy page. But now moving away from Looney Tunes do you (and other guys on this thread) think that Hun qualifies more as Base-Breaking Character than The Scrappy? Because although he is listed as The Scrappy due to being flat Bruce Lee Clone and not resembling his 2003 incarnation, I actually like him due to being hilarious Bruce Lee Clone and there are comments on Youtube from people who think that he had potential as Casey Evil Counterpart. What do you guys think?

(Btw, I am new troper here and this my first post on this discussion).

He's not a BBC if the fanbase isn't split on him

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Permission to take down this entry for a movie considered So Bad, It's Horrible?

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I written that there are comments on Youtube that claim he was wasted as a character, so I could say he's a Base-Breaking Character.

Being "wasted" and being controversial aren't the same thing.

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Plus, there would need to be a significant portion of the base that thinks this, not just some You Tube comments.

That was The Closest Thing I Got.

Then it's not anything. You need more than your own opinion and some anecdotal evidence.

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If the complaint from multiple fans is about wasted potential then he probably fits They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character. Is there enough weight to both his hatedom and his fandom to make him a base breaker?

Edited by mightymewtron on Mar 15th 2024 at 2:17:26 PM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.