The Scrappy Cleanup

That’s what I’m talking about. She needs to be removed then

Edited by NicMasterTrope on Jan 29th 2024 at 7:26:59 PM

Then by all means.

Looking through TheScrappy.Western Animation, I found an entry for Jerry that seems to have been added about a month ago.

I went in to get rid of it (since he seems like more of a Base-Breaking Character than anything else), but the top of the page told me to come here first.

Any thoughts?

That's an easy cut. He's an iconic comedic character and Base-Breaking Character at the very worst.

I say cut him. Considering how many followers he has I wouldn't say he exactly fit's those qualities for a Scrappy if anything even if the fanbase is low depending on your view.

It feels like some users here have some wonk-ery with Jerry. I noticed on YMMV.Tom And Jerry a while back there were some entries that were complaining about the character. Not sure if those are still here or if I already deleted them.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 4th 2024 at 4:53:51 AM

Not that there aren't legitimate reasons people dislike Jerry, of course. It's not all wonkery. But he's no scrappy

Found some on the anime/manga subpage that I think should be potentially cut.

"Case Closed: Sonoko Suzuki has her fair share of haters, who accused her of being a Rich Bitch who is selfish, perverted, and arrogant to the point where she makes Shinichi look humble."

"Fair share of haters" =/= a scrappy, right?

"Elfen Lied: Yuka, due to the fact that she is in love with her cousin (which isn't a huge deal in Japan, but is considered gross in America) and physically beats him up for no reason. Plus the fact that she goes into Wangst over things which are comparatively minor, in contrast to almost everyone else on the show - even when you have positive traits, being selfish in contrast to the other members of the cast is not the way to go with a character... Though at least Lucy's Moral Event Horizon crossing wasn't her fault at all."

Sounds like it might be more of a case of Americans Hate Tingle?

"My Monster Secret: The gods of fortune, to some degree. Their appearances are few and far between, but they and their gags are consider one of the weaker parts of the series."

"To some degree" isn't strong enough to be a Scrappy.

"Whispered Words: Poor Akemiya, who as the lone guy in a yuri show doesn't get much love from the fans."

I think this one needs more details, but I don't think it counts since that's not really a narrative reason to hate him in my opinion.

Edited by Zazie122 on Feb 5th 2024 at 10:38:55 PM

What does the Japanese fanbase think of these characters though?

Recently on the page for Shadow the Hedgehog this Scrappy entry for Black Doom was deleted and replaced a BBC entry, here's a comparison:

• The Scrappy: It's very difficult to find anyone who likes Black Doom as a villain due to him having a very uninteresting "alien overlord" design that clashes horribly with the looks of everyone else, having an incredibly generic name and bland personality, and being haphazardly shoehorned into Shadow's established backstory.
• Base-Breaking Character: Over time, Black Doom has become one as well. Many fans of the franchise don't think too highly of him, as they see him as a bland villain with a generic name and motives, with him being shoved in to Shadow's creation being especially controversial. That being said, he does have his fans, enjoying his characterization, motives and design^note Itself another point of contention due to how it blends in with the overall style of the Sonic franchise, and they don't mind how he was suddenly added to Shadow's origin, and thus, it is not uncommon to see him included in fanworks.

Edited by Mariofan99 on Feb 6th 2024 at 8:27:24 AM

I asked the Sonic thread and they unanimously agreed he's not so hated nowadays.

While I don't think I've ever seen a Hardcore Sonoko fan I've seen many who didn't mind her. She may qualify as Base-Breaking Character depending on how many of these haters are there. Dunno about the other examples.

Edited by Smoker130 on Feb 6th 2024 at 9:30:16 PM

I've been seeing Cecil Turtle on The Scrappy saying his victories over Bugs were unearned and that he's too Smug, I really don't see it.

• Cecil Turtle isn't very well-beloved by those who believe his victories over Bugs to be unearned. Perhaps in response to this, The Looney Tunes Show not only depicts him as an outright villain, but has Bugs finally defeat him in both of his appearances.

From my experience, fans of Looney Tunes like Cecil Turtle because he gives Bugs A Taste of Defeat, whilst also making Bugs more likable by taking away his Invincible Hero status and thus making him more relatable to the audience.

There are some detractors of Cecil, but I feel they are a minority and are mainly younger fans.

Edited by Monsund on Feb 6th 2024 at 1:23:14 AM

Found this on YMMV.Chainsaw Man. Fumiko's hate has seemed to boil over since last chapter, but this needs to be brought up.

• The Scrappy: Fumiko Mifune. While on one hand she's clearly meant to be unlikable, owing to her being a creepy stalker and a two-faced Dirty Coward, she has a sizeable number of detractors who dislike her for, on top of those things, being completely useless and superfluous to the story despite several entire chapters being spent on her. It really doesn't help that other, more popular characters like Asa/Yoru get drastically less screentime after Fumiko is introduced, and she takes away time that could've been used for the Weapon Hybrids, with Quanxi, Miri Sugou, along with Whip and Spear suffering greatly for it, made even worse by the semi-biweekly release schedule. All that is to say, while other Hate Sink characters have their fans, either because they're entertaining or because they push the plot forward, the consensus on Fumiko is that she's a detestable person and an absolute waste of time who added nothing to the story beyond Fanservice and some Squick moments.

It's been like a week since her hate's come up and it's too reactionary for my tastes.

You don't need to ask to remove examples that go against the No Recent Examples, Please! rule.

TheScrappy.Western Animation

• Batman Beyond: While most of the major villains introduced in season 1 have some kind of following, Jackson Chappell from "The Winning Edge" is not one of them. He's generally regarded as a forgettable cardboard cutout of a drug lord (to the point where his name is only mentioned in the credits) he solely exists to hammer in an unsubtle Drugs Are Bad message, and he receives almost no characterization before he gets sent into a coma with his own Venom patches. The most notable thing about his episode is revealing the fate of classic bat-foe Bane, who only appears in one scene.

This is the first I've heard any backlash. I intend to delete as fan apathy/forgeability as opposed to hatedom, any objections?

Fine by me.

So a troper called Filip 04, texted me that they want Cecil Turtle from Looney Tunes added back, anyone have any thoughts?

I maintain Cecil isn't a Scrappy as he appeared sparingly and Bugs Bunny losing to Cecil during the turtle's rare appearances helped make him a relatable character instead of a Invincible Hero.

Anyone support or oppose this statement?

I would say that one troper's opinion isn't enough. Cecil seems to be a clear-cut Base-Breaking Character.

Edited by StewieGriffin34 on Feb 10th 2024 at 10:30:16 AM

Formerly active person in the Looney Tunes fandom here, Cecil is a textbook Base Breaker.

Edit: updated as The Scrappy was just added as an example, not merely as potholes.

New user comstock9877 isn't a fan of the Punisher (2022) series and has listed the Punisher's resurrected wife as The Scrappy.

• The Scrappy: As mentioned above, Maria Castle, or rather, this comic's depiction of her character, has become universally despised by fans, for her hypocritical views on killing, and for divorcing Frank, in the most unnecessarily cold-hearted and vindictive way possible.

Basically, she's aghast to find he's been slaughtering thousands of criminals in his dead family's name, and that he's now leading a demon ninja cult.

A perspective which doesn't make her popular with many of the Punisher's fans, but the whole series is intended to deconstruct his vigilante crusade.

Edited by Mrph1 on Feb 11th 2024 at 6:49:59 PM

I would cut that. I have seen a vocal minority that dislikes her direction but it also comes from overly apologetic Frank fans.

I don't know if these Total Drama examples count.

• While Ezekiel himself is considered Unintentionally Sympathetic and still has a decent number of fans who want him to get another chance as a human, his feral transformation in World Tour is universally hated for derailing his character into a Gollum ripoff.

Ezekiel's feral form is very much treated as a distinct character by the fans, but it's still technically the same character, albeit having lost all lucidity. So this would fail the consistency rule.

• Sam in All-Stars is hated for being a really pointless addition to the cast of mostly main characters, who contributed nothing to the plot. The writers failed to do anything significant with him, save for getting a poorly done Snap Back when he helped win a challenge, making him a very Flat Character whose only defining traits from the last season (video game obsession and having a crush on Dakota) are very underplayed. Instead, he becomes Chew Toy fodder who is even more useless than last season and doesn't provide any contribution except for "Food Fright" where he ends up stuffing up by technically not completing the challenge. And even worse, his inclusion meant more popular and noticeably more heroic Revenge alumni Dawn and Brick would not be included in the cast. A lot of All-Stars' rewrites will even replace him because of his performance. Many feel that either Owen or Harold could have filled his role as either the "overweight comedy relief" or nerd voiced by Brian Froud respectively, even if it would have meant throwing off the balance between first gen and second gen characters.

Sam is disliked in All-Stars but I don't think he was hated in Revenge. He's a character many regard as just okay, but his relationship with Dakota is really well-regarded, so I don't think he counts. A lot of this is just complaining that he wasn't a more popular character.

remove needs to be consistently hated. If we could list season-specific characterizations, then basically every character who was in All-Stars would have to be listed.

Can documentary series have Scrappies? I found these entries on Tiger King:

• The Scrappy: Tiger King features a very diverse cast of characters, many of whom are extremely morally ambiguous. But while we have controversial figures like Joe Exotic, Carole Baskin, and Doc Antle, these three are generally charismatic enough to attract some defenders in spite of their wrongdoings. However, there are a few who are almost universally loathed within the fandom:
  • Jeff Lowe is unanimously seen as a sleazy Dirty Old Man and a Slimeball extraordinaire who cares only about himself and lining his pockets. Not helping matters is that after Joe went to jail, he succeeds in completely taking over the park and begins work on recreating it in his own image. To illustrate this, Lowe decided to host a Reddit AMA which ended up being a complete disaster due to users who had actual questions for him getting massively overshadowed by the ones who took the opportunity to either ruthlessly mock him, or deliver a "The Reason You Suck" Speech.
    • u/Kuzaya: Hey Jeff, big fan. I’m just curious that in a show featuring a woman who fed her husband to tigers, a sociopathic abuser who tried to have her killed, a walking ponytail with a tiger sex harem, and a murderous drug kingpin, how do you manage to come off as the biggest asshole?
  • James Garretson is regarded as a Fat Bastard who is just as slimy as Jeff Lowe, if not more so. Evidently possessing no self awareness, he apparently believes himself to always be one step ahead of everyone else, even though he stupidly tried to sell the Baskins dirt on Joe from his own registered phone number, which only resulted in them doing what anyone else would do and passing it along to the authorities. He is viewed as a Dirty Coward willing to throw anyone under the bus to try and save himself from prison. Then there’s the infamous scene where we see him riding his jet ski while "Eye of the Tiger" plays in the background. This scene has nothing to do with anything, and is widely believed to have been inserted at his request in an attempt to make him look cool.

Edited by Mariofan99 on Feb 12th 2024 at 7:04:59 AM

The Tiger King examples definitely feel like they're accusing real people of being Scrappies. Especially the Jeff Lowe example, which is about people expressing their hatred towards the real person rather than the character in the show.

For Total Drama, a case could be made that if a character undergoes an intentional and significant change in personality (as in, the change is explicitly the result of an in-canon event rather than Depending on the Writer), they can be considered a separate character for consistency purposes, since they're supposed to be written differently from the pre-change version, so viewers are expected to have separate opinions of both versions of the character.

Edited by Someoneman on Feb 12th 2024 at 6:36:24 AM