Unified Warhammer Fantasy thread

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as of right now the Age of Sigmar thing is a single kit. Yeah? Why would it need unit prices? If the game comes with five dudes with wings then you use five wing dudes.

I imagine more complicated rules will arise when the game has more than one box to its name.

edited 2nd Jul '15 1:51:02 PM by Zeromaeus

Rules for old models. Including fucking Karl Franz. Wat.

Some of these new rules appear to be fantastically stupid.

Like, if Settra is your general and you kneel for any reason you lose instantly. Do you play on the floor because you don't have a table large enough? You do? Well fuck you for liking Settra then.

With Wulfrik the Wanderer you are explicitly given permission to be as insulting as you like to your opponent when making the challenge, and you get combat bonuses if they can't keep a straight face.

I'm trying to resist the urge to facepalm and failing.

Edit: Also, I quite like this rpgnet post for explaining the problems with this style.

edited 3rd Jul '15 5:50:49 PM by CountDorku

For what i see, is just a stupid rules they make, funny and hilarious...but it came in a really bad time considering how split is the fanbase about age of sigmar.

Also I see the article in tg, im surprised how...civil they are about this.

I also like that Phoenix Guard are still broken. In a game about not dying they have a fifty percent chance to not die. Brilliant.

Also, for what I see some people actually love the funny rules, saying it help the game a little bit

They are allowed to like it, certainly, but by the same token I am allowed to dislike it. And believe me, I really, really dislike it.

And I'm the kind of player who always yells "WAAAAGH" when charging with Orcs.

Because I want to do that sort of thing because it's fun, not because some asshole at GW Central has, in the middle of the old dinosaur's most dedicated attempt at explosive suicide yet, decided that Orc players must be the kind of people who yell "WAAAAGH" when charging.

edited 4th Jul '15 1:03:36 AM by CountDorku

The conventional analogy has been to compare Games Workshop to the Imperium of Man, something conservative, terribly managed and slowly rotting. Now I'm wondering whether the Necrons are a better comparison, a company that has transformed itself in order to compete with its rivals, at the cost of its soul.

Those old army warscrolls fit with some of the earlier predictions and rumors - you get rules for your old models, but they're watered-down to encourage you to buy the new stuff. Because wow, Greenskin Animosity? Empire Detachments? The Blessings of the Lady and Lance Formations? Gone, along with the old armies' character. Gotta buy Orruks and Sigmarines and Noblehossman Doompointystick boxes to keep up.

Also, either my reader is messed up or they forgot something important, because I don't see any wounds or movement characteristics or anything on them. The units are nothing but weapons floating over the battlefield, with a special rule or two.

People who have cared to study the rules have found a list of oddities and issues that this "living rulebook" will hopefully address soon. Tactical advantages from building your models with their weapons pointing forward. Any army fighting a swarm of goblins or gnoblars will be the "underdog" of the engagement because they're outnumbered. No restrictions on shooting into, or out of, close combat. You don't get cover from standing behind a wall, but on top of it.

Let me just add that there doesn't seem to be anything preventing you from taking an entire unit of standard bearers or musicians now.

I believe the circular bit next to the weapon stats has a few characteristics. Not many, but then, they've come up with a system that doesn't factor in whether a goblin is stabbing a human or a giant sphinx made of rock, so they presumably don't need many.

Edit: Also, High Elf Repeater Bolt Throwers can either fire seventy-two shots, or they need to rewrite these rules to make it explicit that you can't. See, there's a table for the crew that just has the vague proclamation that with 2 crew, you get 2 Ithilmar bolts or 12 repeating bolts. Sounds fine, right? Except that repeating bolts are also listed as having 6 attacks, while ithilmar bolts have 1. Either this means 12 bolts total, in which case, why list it as having 6 attacks, or it means 12 bolts per attack, in which case, WTF.

Double edit: Seriously, this is so bad I'm awarding GW the coveted Never Buying Another Model From Them Ever Again Award. It's a pewter middle finger engraved with a star and the Latin motto "NON PUTO VOS CONATUS", which according to Google Translate is acceptable Canis Latinicus for "I do not think you tried".

edited 4th Jul '15 12:12:14 PM by CountDorku

So, some people liked, other dont....the standar day in a warhammer world.

Im looking the new miniture and....dear god they look awsome, sorry but Age of sigmar miniture beat the living crap of WHFB each day of the weak

According to the latest rumours, we don't need to worry about the lack of points values killing pick-up games, because there's going to be a massive book of scenarios to kill pick-up games because unless the store literally posts what they're playing each week on their Faceblr page, or you carry your entire collection around with you, you won't be able to turn up with the right forces.

Edit: Also, another thing doing the rounds is that the stupid joke rules are a deliberate way to force you to use the new stuff because fielding the old stuff in public is too embarrassing. Yeah, I'm taking up Kings of War now. Nice work GW, I'll miss who you used to be, but I'm not going to miss who you've become.

edited 5th Jul '15 2:29:31 PM by CountDorku

I wanted to go back to Fantasy.

I do not want to go back to Fantasy anymore.

"that the stupid joke rules are a deliberate way to force you to use the new stuff because fielding the old stuff in public is too embarrassing."

Sure....GW is cleary laughitng about how you cant play warhammer anymore because the rules tell to do silly stuff many other already do before(becuase is silly when you do it but stupid when rules tell you....what?)

I meant I dont want to fight but is strange that mentality of how a company love/hate the costumer depending on how much they like or dont something about it

I like doing goofy things when I am having fun. I do not like the idea that therefore, forcing me to do goofy things will be fun.

Take an amusement park ride you enjoy. Now add an expressionless man in a black suit who is telling you to ride it at gunpoint. It instantly becomes less enjoyable, because you're not doing it by choice, you're doing it because someone decided to make you.

Thing is if you go into ansument park you already expect to join some of the ride, the old game is out and this rule are to go from silly rules, that it.

Really is not the first time I have seen fans of tabletop games to arguine like they company where some sort of boy/girlfriend who make everything joyless

Let me try another metaphor.

There is a substance called candyfloss or cotton candy. It is a foodstuff best characterised as being pretty much pure sugar dipped in unidentifiable flavours. Occasionally, you will buy and eat this stuff and enjoy it, even if at other points in your life you kind of wonder why.

What I want you to imagine is that when you're buying candyfloss from the store you usually get it from, the guy behind the counter grabs you by the collar, ties your hands behind your back, pulls your mouth open and begins shoving pack after pack of candyfloss down your throat, because you enjoy it occasionally so you will obviously enjoy nothing but that for the rest of your life, in quantities far more than your stomach can endure.

That's what these changeover rules are like. Like having something you liked in small doses force-fed to you by the ton.

As for the other thing, I'm going to enlighten you on something.

WE LIKED WHFB. We liked its tactical depth. We liked its models. We liked to play it.

Now GW has killed WHFB. It has starved it through terrible decision after terrible decision and then chosen to kill it to replace it with another game. And the game it is being replaced by is terrible. The rules are amateur-hour garbage where fair play is assured by a rigorous protocol of nobody in the company caring. The models, while well sculpted, are also incredibly derivative of the most popular army of GW's other line, which means many of us aren't particularly interested because if we wanted to play 40K we would just buy 40K. The changeover rules for their old models, which I appreciate you didn't like but please remember that WE DID, are loaded with juvenile bullshit like pretending to ride a horse, calling your opponent every name under the sun or gaining combat bonuses through having a lot of facial hair. So naturally we're a little disappointed. Or a lot disappointed. Or fucking enraged that we ever wasted our money on these incompetents and mountebanks. It varies by person.

Edit: And with this, I'm gonna bow out. I think everyone knows my feelings about Age of Sigmar by this point, and making myself angry by continually digging again and again into how awful it is as a successor to WHFB and as a product to be judged on its own merits isn't gonna help anyone.

edited 6th Jul '15 10:58:09 PM by CountDorku

That seems a little melodramatic.

Well, there's not much left to say, is there? If you're one of the old guard who endured the last ten years or so of Warhammer, and you were attached to the Old World and the mass combat, this new game isn't for you. If you're a player attracted to these Stormcast Eternals and the simple skirmishy combat, you're gonna have a hard time seeing the appeal in what was recently tossed out or what those old fogies are complaining about. And I doubt things are going to change once the Orruks and Steamheads and whatnot get released and the warscrolls with all the forced memes are obsoleted.

Maybe we should close this thread and start a new one for Age of Sigmar. Or keep this one around for bitter reminiscing while new and upcoming releases are discussed in the AoS thread.

Games Workshop isn't a whateverfriend who bores and nags you most of the time but is at least good in the sack, it's downright abusive. It's constantly demanding your money, spends more time on the phone than looking at or listening to you during a date, and let's just say it's the only one having a good time when things move into the bedroom.

And if you muster the courage to say that your friends who are seeing Mantic or Fantasy Flight Games always talk about how much fun they're having, and that their companions don't demand as much and even give them nice things sometimes, Games Workshop flips out and rants about how it's the best and you could never hope to do better than it. And then that night drops a 5th edition Codex: Tyranids on your face in what you can't help but feel is retaliation.

edited 7th Jul '15 11:57:06 AM by Tacitus

I get melodramatic when I'm angry, and I have been very angry since GW told us, in so many words, "hey, that game you like that we were killing through terrible management, and which everyone will blame you for not buying even though you would have to sell a kidney to do so? That game? Yeah, we've decided we're not even going to give it a dignified death; we're going to make it a bad comic book crisis event, and then we're going to release, at best, two-thirds of a ruleset for its replacement, accompanied by changeover PDF's that insult you to your face for liking our old stuff."

A joke theory about how the Stormcast Eternals look like Space Marines... GROUND MARINES!!

[[youtube:_-MzNpMD1K8]]

EDIT: Oh thank you formatting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-MzNpMD1K8

edited 8th Jul '15 3:30:42 AM by YoKab

Didn't anyone notice Slaanesh just got replaced?◊

I wonder who's the new god, Malal making a proper apparence?

edited 9th Jul '15 2:12:41 PM by YoKab

Someone on Bell of Lost Souls said that it was the symbol the Horned Rat is running under these days, which I can't verify but would at least make sense if the Skaven are part of the Chaos faction now. Other WMGs centered around leaked images suggesting that the Aelfs captured Slaanesh at some point between End Times and Age of Sigmar, the fact that the emblem looks kinda like Malekith's helmet, or that Morathi was less seen in Slaanesh's clutches so maybe she got absorbed or something? The most optimistic take is that the old Slaanesh symbol was too overtly sexual or whatever, so it got redesigned as to not offend the kiddies playing with their armies of cannibalistic child-murderers.

I didn't bring it up because I can't say anything about it that's different from my reactions to anything else GW has done in recent memory.

edited 9th Jul '15 5:29:50 PM by Tacitus

Yeah, at this point dropping a bridge on a Chaos God is small potatoes given the number of factions who have been obliterated, radically revised to the point of being a completely different army, or just straight-up forgotten about.

This always left me dumbfounded when it came to the Warhammer franchise. And it's not like you can chalk up to demented American censoring standards because GW is British.

I mean wtf.

edited 9th Jul '15 6:10:07 PM by LogoP

This symbol looks like a stick figure Flipping the Bird with both hands...