Does Not Illustrate: He Who Fights Monsters

I don't think the pic demonstrates the trope pretty well. All Batman did in this moment was restraining the Joker because he thought he'd break out. And Batman in general is a pretty tortured and restrained Hero who almost never crosses the line.

I think this picture would be much better

edited 21st Jan '13 5:43:26 PM by Forenperser

Need to put your links in CamelCase.

Did it now. What do you think of it? I think Cyclops is THE poster boy for this trope and the picture is a great way to show it

No you didn't; it still links to "Main.He Who Fights Monsters". You need "HeWhoFightsMonsters"; note the lack of spaces. (And the lack of "Main.", but that's not strictly necessary; I just find it redundant. Minor pet peeve.)

Changed it for you.

I think I prefer Batman almost choking The Joker, honestly.

edited 21st Jan '13 5:45:14 PM by ShadowHog

I think that works a lot better than the current pic, but it's a bit small. Here it is at 350:

Even though Batman is not technically a He Who Fights Monsters example, the current pic shows him coming really close to becoming one, which is still an illustrative example.

And as a subtext maybe "Not such a big boyscout after all....."

edited 21st Jan '13 5:54:11 PM by Forenperser

See, if he hadn't beaten the shit out of Joker on multiple occasions, I'd be more inclined to go along with that. The scene of him fighting the Joker in The Dark Knight Returns as close as he comes that I know of.

Wow, I didn't even recognize Cyclops. Still, the picture seems too JAFAAC to me. Even the Batman one doesn't seem that great, as he beats up people all the time. Might need a before & after.

Cyke works a little better than the current. Neither is great, though. In the current, I only see Batman being Batman. In the suggestion, I see someone being evil.

Current is bad and shouldn't have been added. Someone removed the "start an IP thread if you want to suggest an image" tag which had been added after we removed the previous image.

Willbyr's version of the suggestion is better, though not great. Supporting it pending something better.

Willbyr's is good. lu, did you talk to the person who added the current image?

I did.

Previous thread. I liked this one.

There was also this parody, which we can use since it's under a CC license.

The Fable pic feels like another trope beside this one. The comic strip works, but it's about as subtle as a brick to the temple and would take some 'shopping to get the speech balloons to lay over the panels.

edited 22nd Jan '13 6:10:13 AM by Willbyr

Maybe there's one from here that could work.

Just an observation... The content for the trope image for Good Is Not Nice is pretty much the same thing: Batman roughing up Joker.

Which is pretty much why showing the same thing happening here doesn't work for this page.

Hmmm. Batman makes me think of Harvey Dent... is there an image from The Dark Knight that would work?

Personally I think this one's a better depiction that the one up, but I think Batman's a good description of this trope. Plus, it isn't just that he brutalizes the Joker, the Joker's one of his few villains that deliberately tries to get Batman to kill. All of his schemes are usually designed one way or another to push Batman past the limit so that he can finally snap and kill him, and therefore become a monster.

Plus, in this pic, his eyes are bloodred, which I think visually kinda adds on to it, lol. And yeah, I'm a fan of the bat, so maybe I'm a little biased, haha. But there have been times in the comics where he's had to be talked down or restrained from killing the Joker.

edited 17th Feb '13 8:06:49 PM by VoidSpace

I think Batman and the Joker are iconic enough that it gets a pass.

Why is Batman a good example? Has he ever actually become as much of a threat as the villains he fights?

As a fan of the comics, I'd have to say, yeah. He hasn't crossed it yet, but isn't that the point of this Trope? Those who come very close to crossing the line? Dark Knight Returns is a pretty good example too. Joker murders hundreds as usual, and they make it seem like old Batman's finally ready to put him down, so he breaks his neck. But the twist (pun intended) is that he just paralyzes him, showing that he still isn't willing to cross the line, and the Joker calls him out for it.

As a threat to other people? No. Although Justice League: Doom shows what would happen if he were to use his "contingency plans" on his team mates.

edited 17th Feb '13 8:46:24 PM by VoidSpace

Just because Batman never actually crosses the line, a big part of his character is that he often comes very, very close to becoming this trope. Even if he never fully does, it's still an example.

But just because the character is a good example from within the comics doesn't mean that picture actually illustrates the trope. It's just Batman beating up the Joker; doesn't even look particularly a lot like he might kill him or anything, just wrestling brutally.

What line Batman crosses (or not) is also confused by where different writers have put it in the past.

EDIT: Bleach has some decent pics of Ichigo◊ that could be used, though Complete Monster Aizen◊'s forms might be better I can't seem to find a half-hollow pic.

edited 18th Feb '13 7:10:59 PM by justanid

Well, since nobody seems to want the Batman vs Joker thing done again, how about Batman killing Superman?

I'm just gonna keep pushing Batman because he's a good example of the trope, if his section on the trope's page doesn't say anything...plus he's an iconic and easily recognizable figure. So even someone who doesn't know much about the context would get the image.