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I don't see anything salvageable in it. I'd suggest cutting.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
World's Toughest Milkman
Hmm, from the title, I assumed this would have to do with characters who scare away crows! :)
I think we have the war on straw well-covered, no need for one more extremely vague trope with a misleading name. +1 to cut.
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.
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OK:
- Bad name: actively misleading. I'd also expect a page called "Literal Strawman" to be about traditional scarecrows and similar creatures — creatures made of or stuffed with Straw. That's what "literal" means, after all.
- Rambling, unclear definition that contradicts itself. As far as I can tell, it's "a strawman character that puts up a bit of a fight before folding to the hero's attack."
- Only Five examples after at least 10 months of existence.
- Three of which are "shows up a lot on <this genre> or <this type of work>"
- One is an actual man of straw, a scarecrow, but not, apparently, a Straw Character of any kind.
- Only 8 "related to"s, and 4 of them are indexes. One is the page itself.
edited 28th Sep '12 3:17:19 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Nothing salvageable that I can see. (A trope about literal characters made of straw, now that might be a good idea.)
We have Scary Scarecrows.
The trope Literal Strawman is written badly. Is it supposed to be a Strawman who goes down easily, or is it a Strawman, who is easy to defeat because he takes things literally? The name and the examples in the description make it look like the second .
This trope has bothered me for a while, as I have no idea what the name means. Madru's definition seems to be the correct one, but it's not very distinct from the other Straw tropes.
Cut away.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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The problem with that definition is that it is only a separate trope from the other Straw <Character> tropes if they are required to fold without any resistance at all. And they aren't. They simply fold relatively easily.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Exactly. As I said, I think whoever made this trope doesn't really understand what a strawman is supposed to be.
No, the other one.
Cut it for above mentioned reasons.
edited 28th Sep '12 5:32:10 PM by AnotherDuck
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Looks like there's no objection to cutting.
edited 29th Sep '12 6:30:17 AM by ThatHuman
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So can we go ahead and put it on the Cut List, or is a crowner necessary for form's sake?
Let's not put too much weight on form. Do not forget to dewick and add a note on discussion, though.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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Dewicking complete.
And having looked at all the wicks, I'm even more confused about what this was supposed to be. The three wicks on actual works, rater than indexes were all different. One was for a boss that you could defeat easily, but there was nothing to indicate that it was because his beliefs were wrong. One was simply for a character who is defeated. One was a Zero Context Example. One of the indexes defined it as "An enemy who is easy to defeat because his beliefs are wrong. One defined it as "easy to defeat." One defined it as "A strawman you actually have to fight as opposed to just argue with."
Put on the cutlist with a link to this discussion in the reason field.
It's on the cutlist and Septimus has added a link on the discussion page. Now we wait...
Will lock the thread when it's cut.
edited 6th Oct '12 8:11:23 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
I added a note on the discussion page.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
World's Toughest Milkman
Page appears to be cut and locked.
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.
Then I am requesting a lock.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
There doesn't seem to be a YKTTW for this page, and there's currently only five examples, of which two are extremely general (and one of those seems to misunderstand what a strawman is). A third is about enemies which are literally made of straw - despite the description specifically saying that's not what it's about. In addition, the description is rambling and poorly written, and contradicts itself at least once. The entire concept also seems to misunderstand our "straw" tropes, which don't require explicit debate or prohibit the straw character from being physically fought.
There might be a trope here (although personally I'm just fine with not expanding The War on Straw any further), but if so it's probably best to leave YKTTW to find it rather than try and salvage this mess.
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