Considering this Wiki's more recent push towards semi-NPOV, I see no reason why this page should have a Web Original or Real-Life section. It might be shorter than a lot of pages, but it's already attracting natter and creator bashing (Something this page has huge potential for): "There is one of the many people "inspired" by the Angry Video Game Nerd to make reviews of video games for Youtube who shall not be named. The difference? Any forum related to video game "reviews" has been visited by him and several alternate accounts, each creating threads solely linking to his work. The That Guy With The Glasses forum once had four topics consisting of the same links to his material. If his name or Youtube username is mentioned on anywhere on any forum, he will immediately insult long-time members yet simultaneously set up a separate account to link others to his work. He is known to spam other popular "reviews" with links to his videos and responds to any messages directed at himself with anger and self-righteous egoism. When another user made fun of him in a video, the amount of comments he made to the video infamously numbered more than the actual video's total views. Note that he once promoted himself in a forum thread created to point out his shamelessness." Predictably, this is followed by natter. My suggestion is to limit the page to in-universe examples only, but then it might be too rare to trope. This page reminds me a lot of Small Name, Big Ego, TBH. EDIT: My bad, the link doesn't work. Could a moderator please move that to Shameless Self-Promoter. (No spaces, I'm still getting used to how wiki markup here works.)
edited 18th Aug '12 11:28:25 PM by AmateurPolymath
Description shouldn't be a Self-Demonstrating Article.
edited 19th Aug '12 12:29:55 AM by spacemarine50
No, the other one.The title link is fixed. You just need to write it in CamelCase, without spaces, for it to work. To edit that you can click on the paper icon at the top left of the first post in the thread. I think running this through the No Real Life Examples, Please! thread might be an idea, considering the bashing. Essentially the same as restricting to In-Universe.
edited 19th Aug '12 5:39:17 AM by AnotherDuck
An In-Universe example would require the promoter to target characters in fiction, not the real audience. I would not require examples to be In-Universe. I would cut some examples. I see some Trope Decay; the trope is about a person who takes any opportunity to advertise, but some examples are about a work that references another work by the same author:
edited 18th Oct '12 8:12:49 PM by Kernigh
I wouldn't cut anything, just clean it up to remove the bashing.
edited 19th Oct '12 8:04:54 PM by shoboni
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
World's Toughest MilkmanI'm going to have to side with the suggestion to make this In-Universe only. We're not here to bash real people.
edited 13th Dec '12 11:55:41 AM by Xtifr
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
No, the other one.I could potentially make an allowance for real people who shamelessly admit to it themselves, since that's not about bashing. It's about us taking their own word for it.
World's Toughest MilkmanIt's still off-mission, though, since tropes are supposed to be about fiction. Also, I think it would be hard to enforce a self-admitted-real-life-examples-only rule.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
Ecce Homo SuperiorI support making it in-universe only.
(it's David Bowie)
Puʻu ʻŌʻōBumping this in support of In-Universe only. Do we need a crowner? It's here if we need it.
No, the other one.Well, it's no more off-mission than any other Real Life section. Though it's not as if I'd be sad if it went away, and in this case it might just be better.
The thing about Shameless Self-Promoter is that it was written to be a subclass of Online Personas. What we do with this has implications for the entire index. Perhaps we need to consider this issue on a larger scale rather than focus on this one trope.
Puʻu ʻŌʻōThis page was written in terms of its Internet form. Same problem as Troll had.
There's my issue I brought up in post 2. Description isn't if it's Self-Demonstrating Article. Improvement if I delete the whole thing and add 1 sentence about the trope.
edited 18th Feb '13 10:36:18 PM by spacemarine50
Raven WilderProblem with using it for Real Life examples is that being called a Shameless Self-Promoter is not considered a good thing, so we'd be insulting anyone we listed as an example, which is frowned upon by this wiki's etiquette.
"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko
No, the other one.What about those who call themselves that?
The theory behind the trope is that we are covering a type of Online Persona which is itself a form of fiction. My question would be: Are Online Personas something that, as a whole, this wiki is interested in documenting?
Puʻu ʻŌʻōThat has been discussed for a long time. I feel it would need a Wiki Talk thread to sort out. The essence of the pro argument is that websites etc. are works made by their contributors. Not sure if the people making them would get tropes.
The theory behind the trope is that we are covering a type of Online Persona which is itself a form of fiction.Unfortunately, a lot of the items on that index are things people would deny being. I'm not sure we want to include them if they're YMMV.
Since I'm the only one willing to deal with it, added this trope to the description improvment thread.
Puʻu ʻŌʻōOK, the crowner here before the shutdown was at 12-3 for In-Universe Examples Only. Do we want to call it as such?
No, the other one.With 4:1 and 15 votes, I think that's fair enough.
I agree. I think we can call this, implement the action, and close this thread ASAP. Do we need a mod hollar?
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