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spacemarine50 Since: Mar, 2012
#1: Jul 31st 2012 at 12:28:34 AM

The title is iffy. It's from some song that I bet you never heard of, a quote, and sounds like it's related to It Was His Sled. I might get the meaning of this, but the description isn't that clear to confirm it.

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#2: Jul 31st 2012 at 12:33:32 AM

Anyone got a better name?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#3: Jul 31st 2012 at 12:54:06 AM

While Creator Mind Games comes in mind, 99 wicks and 250 inbounds sound rather healthy to me. Any misuse check?

Plus, you want "Ambiguous Name" not "Complaining" for these issues.

edited 31st Jul '12 12:56:36 AM by SeptimusHeap

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AceOfSevens Since: Feb, 2010
#4: Jul 31st 2012 at 12:55:14 AM

You've never heard of Glass Onion? What's wrong with kids these days? You don't actually need to know Glass Onion. The quote from this song is a reference to the very well known "I Am the Walrus."

edited 31st Jul '12 12:57:30 AM by AceOfSevens

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#5: Jul 31st 2012 at 12:57:28 AM

Glass Onion? What is that?

I've never heard of walrus either.

edited 31st Jul '12 12:58:31 AM by SeptimusHeap

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#6: Jul 31st 2012 at 1:16:00 AM

No, I've never heard of Glass Onion, and I don't think the title makes sense to anyone that hasn't heard of that.

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AceOfSevens Since: Feb, 2010
#7: Jul 31st 2012 at 2:07:59 AM

Have you at least heard of the Beatles?

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#8: Jul 31st 2012 at 2:21:24 AM

I recognized the song, but it certainly didn't help me Guess That Trope.

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#9: Jul 31st 2012 at 3:37:22 AM

Yes, I've heard of the Beatles, and I know that one of them is called Paul Mc Cartney. I have no idea why he would be a walrus, though.

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#10: Jul 31st 2012 at 3:47:46 AM

[up]Which is pretty close to the trope, but still ambiguous.

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#11: Jul 31st 2012 at 8:48:20 AM

I was thinking myself of making a thread for this. The name is obscure, and worse, sort of sounds like the opposite of what the trope is (in that it seems to be a clear answer, you need context to know it only made things murkier).

The obvious name here would be "Obfuscating Creator", though I would welcome more imaginative ones. "Mind game" sets the bar too high: most of the examples are too simple, simply giving answers that explain nothing rather than any sort of planned manipulation.

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#12: Jul 31st 2012 at 10:52:32 AM

I have never read the article, and have no idea what the name means. If I try to guess, I end up comparing it to And Then John Was a Zombie and It Was His Sled.

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Escher Since: Nov, 2010
#13: Jul 31st 2012 at 11:09:56 AM

While I'm totally familiar with "I Am The Walrus", I've never heard "Glass Onion". And in any case, it's not front-of-mind enough to pop into my head from a title like "the walrus was paul".

Once I know they're talking about the Beatles, I know the reference but still can't understand what the trope is.

For a new title, how about "Explanation Obfuscation"? It's a mindscrew intentionally meant to defy explanations.

edited 31st Jul '12 11:33:19 AM by Escher

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#15: Jul 31st 2012 at 1:32:33 PM

[up][up]That's pretty good.

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#16: Jul 31st 2012 at 1:37:25 PM

Need evidence of misuse or underuse to rename this.

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#17: Jul 31st 2012 at 1:47:56 PM

250 inbounds are good on the "underuse" front (and since it's about ambiguous names here, it's the main issue), unless someone advances a "relative underuse" or "misuse" claim.

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spacemarine50 Since: Mar, 2012
#18: Jul 31st 2012 at 2:29:53 PM

@3, it's a combo of that and Unclear Description.

troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#19: Jul 31st 2012 at 7:27:51 PM

If we don't have any misuse here, I'm against renaming, I think.

Rhymes with "Protracted."
InfinityOrNone Since: Jun, 2010
#20: Sep 3rd 2012 at 7:18:51 PM

Trope sounds good as it is.

spacemarine50 Since: Mar, 2012
#21: Sep 3rd 2012 at 7:57:48 PM

It's not. If it was, this thread wouldn't exist. Also, now what?

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#22: Sep 3rd 2012 at 8:25:16 PM

[up]That's circular reasoning. We have lots of tropes whose names I don't get, but they're perfectly healthy and thriving and not misused. Renaming such a trope is highly counter-productive. Which is why you have to demonstrate misuse (or underuse, which we've pretty much ruled out here) before asking for a rename.

If no one's willing to take the time to do a wick check, we might as well close this and move on to something we can fix.

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spacemarine50 Since: Mar, 2012
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