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Same! 
Salmond's just a Chavez-wannabe...
edited 26th Aug '14 10:02:30 AM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling On
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
Salmond sticks to logic and fact. Darling's accusations of the yes campaign "scaremongering" are insane given this No campaign leaflet
Frankly all the racist idiots supporting the No campaign - UKIP, BNP, Orange Order, Daily Mail provide all the more reason to vote Yes so we can escape the whole lot of them.
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With that attitude why keep the blooming Pound? Set up your own currency, since you already print your own banknotes!
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The currency debate is meaningless. Scotland would still be completely independent even without full currency control - Panama and many others use the dollar, Ireland used the pound for about 90 years, etc. There is nothing wrong with us using the pound and rUK government doesn't have a say in the matter if we decide to do that. Darling is flat out lying (or being ignorant, neither would surprise me) when he says otherwise.
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BBC: Scottish independence: Former European Court judge challenges student fee plan
Prof Sir David Edward, a former European Court judge, has provided written legal advice to the pro-UK group Academics Together.
He cited EU rules preventing discrimination between member states.
The Scottish government argued the EU allowed for "exceptional circumstances" and the policy could continue.
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Indeed, Scotland unilaterally using the pound is an option, one of three major options:
- Keep the pound - Countries across the world do this with the dollar, like Hong Kong and Panama. They call it "dollarization", so this option has become known as "sterlingization". It has all the advantages of simplicity, but would mean Scotland having no control at all over interest rates and other monetary policy decisions. It would be a little like being on a roller coaster, you're in for the ride even though you don't have any access to the controls.
- New currency - Way back in history Scotland used to have its own currency. It would mean the Scottish government would have total control, but would be a huge change and an unknown quantity so it might not be trusted. There is a fear that people might pull their money out of the new Scottish currency and move it into the rest of the UK, which would be seen as a safer bet. Scotland would also be totally responsible for bailing out its own banks and savers should anything go wrong. Some pro-Yes backers, including Jim Sillars and Dennis Canavan are in favour of a Scottish currency.
- Different currency - Could it be the the Euro or even the dollar? The Euro might not be all that popular these days, but once-upon-a-time Alex Salmond was keen for Scotland to join the Euro, describing Sterling as a "millstone around Scotland's neck". Although the Euro has weakened dramatically in recent years, it's unlikely to stay that way forever. Others suggest Scotland should use the dollar, and become a petro-economy. That's because a big chunk of Scotland's economy depends on oil and gas - an industry which operates in US dollars - and that it might not be the wildest idea in the world to adopt the dollar as its currency.
edited 26th Aug '14 10:22:16 AM by Greenmantle
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Using someone else's currency as your own means that someone else is in charge of a significant aspect of your economy. Also, scenarios will arise where a monetary policy is good for that someone else and not for you - see the Euro as an example.
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Who the fuck thinks that is a good idea?
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House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
First time I've ever heard that suggestion I've got to say! And I've been following this debate pretty closely.
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Sneering Imperialist
Nobody's saying Scotland wouldn't be able to use the pound. The dispute comes from the SNP wanting a currency union, which for some reason Salmond thinks that the SNP gets to dictate terms over.
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House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
Salmond is not saying that, Darling is very directly saying Scotland would not be able to use the pound.
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Sneering Imperialist
Really? I thought that horse had been beaten to undeath already (I haven't been paying much attention to the debates).
edited 26th Aug '14 11:16:14 AM by pagad
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Honestly, this commentary makes me think that Salmond is just a better misrepresenter with the currency thing. He's leaving off important issues with a currency union but gets away with it thanks to omission bias.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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As opposed to Darling who is outright lying by insisting Scotland couldn't use the pound in the face of the legal fact that yes, they could and that he doesn't get to say otherwise? It's a risk, yes, but one that we can take.
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Then why don't go all the way — and achieve total fiscal independence in the process — and set up a whole new currency? From my POV, it looks like Salmond's lost his nerve over the currency questionnote .
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
I'd like to see that, in time. Though of course I support the original idea of joining the Euro, which is politically completely unsellable right now. But things will change and either option could be fine for later. I don't see a currency union with the UK as a long term thing, just a short term until the set up is done, etc. 5 years maybe?
Even as a Yes supporter I don't like the way Salmond has handled the issue, you really have to assume that Viewers Are Morons and that people don't know his ideas. He's right to say that multiple options are there in the White Paper, but he really should be spelling it out since that's what people are asking him to do.
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Better Together have released a new campaign video. It is patronising as all Hell, and an insult to women everywhere.
How in God's name can they think such a video is acceptable?
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"Woman, your priority is breakfast. It is "too early" to talk about politics. Eat your cereal".
Does the Better Together campaign lack a communication manager/chief? Someone smart, who will avoid those shots in the foot?
I only watched 1 minute of that ad. It's insulting/sexist as hell.
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"Eat your cereal" has already gone memetic it seems and the video has only been online about 5 hours.
I can see what they were aiming for, they've just missed the mark by a long way.
EDIT: #Patronising B Tlady is currently trending UK-wide on Twitter. This one may be something of an own goal...
edited 26th Aug '14 4:06:24 PM by CaissasDeathAngel
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A procrastination in of itself
I find this statment rather amusing considering the Scottish government has just come out and said it wants the EU to allow it to carry out state sponsored racial discrimination against English, Welsh hands Northern Irish students.
You don't get to play the racism card when your goverment wants to charge English students fees in an independant Scotland but not French students, that's strait up racism discrimination.
And the Yes campaign isn't clean itself when it comes to shady connection, Salmond himself has plenty of nasty friends.
Edit: Man I hate the autocorrect on my iPad, I miss my laptop, I could properly spell check my posts on that. 
edited 26th Aug '14 6:11:58 PM by SilasW
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
<delurks> Mebbe JK Rowling should be put in charge of the better together campaign. <goes back to lurking>
A procrastination in of itself
I'd be up for that, she's at least a proper Socialist.
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Strange, I was just thinking the same thing about Salmond
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