edited 21st Nov '12 4:04:40 AM by johnnye
— Oberyn Martell
edited 26th Nov '12 11:31:33 AM by abloke
edited 22nd Dec '12 2:27:50 PM by Therapsid
edited 22nd Dec '12 2:57:12 PM by Madrugada
- Toss back to YKTTW to see if a proper and good trope can be made out of this.
- Redefine as Trivia (or other non-trope).
- Do nothing.
edited 23rd Dec '12 6:10:04 AM by AnotherDuck
- The Wheel of Time: Says the societies are supposed to be female-dominated, but are still sexist. Doesn't explain how or to which sex(es).
- Dragon Riders Of Pern: The ruling females have a species trait which makes them less effective warriors (not a gender trait), take time off because they're fertile (to breed, presumably), and hand over their authority to their mates during whatever Threadfall is. It's not particularly feminist, but I'm not sure how any of this means it can't be matriarchy. The point about humans is a bit hazy; might need some more information.
- Chanur Novels: Looks like a valid inversion (or at least, the idea backwards).
- Nobody's Princess: I think the point of this one is that a matriarchy wouldn't have a woman encouraging men to become warriors. I could be wrong.
- Traveller: Presumably, the "domination of separate roles" mirrors traditional gender roles somehow. Seems to be one of the "supposed to be gender-equal" (not even claiming to be matriarchal) societies mentioned in the description.
- Exalted: Seems valid.
- Mass Effect: I can understand why this might rile some people, but it doesn't seem necessarily un-matriarchal.
- Master of Orion: Seems valid.
- Quest for Glory: This looks like the same scenario as the Chanur Novels example, presented the opposite way. Which is correct?
- Homestuck: In-universe reference.
edited 24th Dec '12 1:41:51 AM by abloke
edited 24th Dec '12 4:28:46 AM by Madrugada
- Quest for Glory: Not an example. The ruler is a king. His council who deals with the day to day is entirely female, yes, but the King, who is always male, has the final word on anything. It's a plot point that the King's word is ultimately the final one on what goes on in Tarna.
- Mass Effect: Debatable. Not helped by the fact there's no sexual dimorphism in Salarians. In the end, we do see they are ruled by a female, yes. But Salarian society structure is never plot relevant enough for us to see it in any detail. So its mostly a case of All There in the Manual due to The Law of Conservation of Detail. The Complaining about females being kept on the planet mostly has to do with the fact that said manual explains the gender ratio of Salarians is 1 female to 5 males.
edited 24th Dec '12 12:37:44 PM by Ghilz
edited 24th Dec '12 12:58:32 PM by Ghilz
- What counts as a matriarchy?
- Does the work claim Tropistan is a matriarchy? Openly, or by implication, or just by appearance?
- Is Tropistan a matriarchy?
- Is this dissonance deliberate, or an authorial mistake?
— Oberyn Martell
Page Action: Matriarchy In Name Only
10th Jan '13 1:22:44 AM