Misused: Creators Pet

So, Gina's still on the page on YMMV.Brooklyn Nine Nine.

Now, I admit I'm the one who added her and I'm suuuuper okay with it getting cut, but I'd like to clarify a couple things. I included the "childhood friends with the series' star" bit as evidence of beloved by the creators, and put "Base Breaker at best" because she's either The Scrappy or a Base Breaker (but she's definitely not beloved by all). I'm not sure which as the distinction between the two is really tough to accurately gauge. The fact that after the entry was added, someone else expanded it and added Jerkass Sue lends credence to The Scrappy idea, but I'm really fine with just cutting the damn thing.

Don't much care either way.

This seems like such a stretch to me even without the previously-mentioned suggestion that it may be taken from the actors' real life relationship.

Whatever. Don't care.

Anyway, I pulled an example from YMMV.How I Met Your Mother. She definitely qualifies for 3/4, but she's a main character (not THE main character, but part of the core Five-Man Band that appears on all production photos) so I don't see how she can qualify for Character Focus.

So, does the MGS2 version of Raiden fail point 4?

I don't see why he wouldn't count. His skills are constantly lauded (first by the Colonel bringing up his VR scores, though Raiden himself brings it up more. And Solidus definitely mentioned that he was an extremely skilled soldier).

So yeah, he shills himself, but other characters talk about how capable he is (I mean, he is apparently that skilled, but it still counts).

I'm not sure he's lauded more than other characters of his skill level. Also, from Character Shilling, "Remember, it's only really shilling when we don't know why such praise and admiration is being given. If they've already shown they can back it up, it probably doesn't count."

So it could count for the first game he appeared in. But there he's the protagonist.

Creator's Pet seems really easy to use. It's a character that's blatantly favored by the powers behind the show, right? A character can be a Scrappy AND a Creator's Pet. Like The Sentry. From what I've examined this is the proper trope for people that misuse the term Mary Sue. Not a perfect character, but a character who somehow has all of reality bend to their will.

You know, I never actually understood the point of repair shops. Can't this just be fixed by vigilance and consistent editing?

You know, I never actually understood the point of repair shops. Can't this just be fixed by vigilance and consistent editing?

If only!

As for Creator's Pet, this page has a list of requirements for someone to be called Creator's Pet .

A Creator's Pet has to be a Scrappy. It's specifically "Creators like a character. Fans don't. So creators try harder to force the character on fans, which makes them like the character less."

A character who's favored by Creators is, well, Creator's Favorite.

Well that works perfectly, why's that Trivia instead of YMMV?

Creator's Favorite is objective, but has nothing to do with the narrative; it exists in the meta-space of information about the work.

Can I see about fixing that Analysis. It just seems to say that Creator's Pets suck and the best solution is to kill them. There has to be a better explination as to how and why they exist and what possible solutions exist that can get them back in the audience's acceptance... besides killing them.

Sure, go ahead. Is it locked?

Creator's Pet: Not locked on my end.

Not locked on my end. Will get cracking soon.

edited 21st Apr '14 12:02:18 PM by JDogindy

Finished it. One may argue about the length, but I wanted to make damn sure all the bases were covered so people know how to see one and what can be done about it.

Johnny from the masterpiece The Room

Creator's Pet: The movie would like you to believe that "Johnny is a wonderful person" (as the characters constantly remind us) who is unfairly betrayed by his best friend and fiance. To everyone in the audience, though, he's a creepy fellow who doesn't even seem to be human. Yet he's the protagonist of the movie, an obvious Author Avatar, and played by the director himself.

Ok he fits "Hated by fans", "Loved by the writer", "Talked up by the other characters " but being the main character or, at least, one of the main characters he hardly fits Character Focus. What do you think?

The example doesn't qualify, for the reason you noted. A protagonist that we're supposed to like who comes across as a terrible person is a Designated Hero.

Zoey from Series/Zoey101 is an infamous Canon Sue hated by lots of fans, yet she's one of the main characters. Does she count as a Creator's Pet?

Nope. This is not a trope for main characters.

There are two examples I'd like to ask about. First is Broly. The problem is not only is he a Base Breaker at worst and super popular in America, but the reason he gets so much Character Focus is because he's popular.

Also about Raiden . Reasons were listed and he's now a Base Breaker who was mostly The Scrappy because he wasn't Snake. He's still a good example of Creator's Favorite.

Also we should remove the part of Brian's entry about how he stopped being a Creator's Pet. He still gets this treatment ("Life of Brian" anyone?) and he's still The Scrappy.

I'm confused, I read through this thread but I still don't quite get the definition :/

How is this different from Mary Sue? It's character the creator loves but audience hates, right?

Also, I don't get how a character can get tons of focus without being a main character. Isnt that how you define a main character?

I'm not challenging the existence of the trope, just confused.

Mary Sue is an author self-insert with idealized traits who derails the plot to be entirely about her. It's vastly different from Creator's Pet, which is, in a nutshell, a character that fans dislike (The Scrappy) but authors like (Creator's Favorite), and therefore try to sell the audience on the character (Character Shilling) while inserting it where it doesn't belong (Character Focus).

The main protagonist of a story gets Character Focus by default and so can't qualify for the latter.

I understand the confusion though. Where does the line between a main character, who should get lots of focus, and a lesser character, who shouldn't get so much focus? I guess there are some cases, where it can be hard to tell.

edited 12th May '14 3:49:50 PM by Furienna

The Protagonist definitely shouldn't qualify though.

I removed Alice from Film.Resident Evil, because she is THE main character, albeit a Canon Foreigner

edited 17th Jun '14 2:54:09 AM by theAdeptrogue