Needs Help: Deliberately Monochrome

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Sepia/Desaturating tone IS NOT deliberately monochrome. By its definition "monochrome" means black and white. A lot of indie movies shot with super 16 are deliberately sephia, not grayscaled monochrome. I suggest that we split the trope or change the title because its really misleading

"Split and clean up" is not available because "split and clean up" is not a problem; it's a solution. One you're welcome to propose if you can identify an actual problem.

So...have you? Monochrome actually means single color, from the Latin, "mono-", one, and "chrome", color. Checking my dictionary to make sure, the first definition listed is:

"1 a, A picture, especially a painting, done in different shades of a single color."

Sounds like sepia would count, or heck, even blue. And that's using formal language. With informal language, I think it's pretty clear that sepia-tone pictures are considered monochrome, or we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Is it worth splitting anyway? I dunno, that's a possibility I'm willing to entertain, if there's a whole lot of examples.

I guess the strict definition of sepia tone - as in the brown reddish scaled picture are definitely considered monochrome. Currently the page identifies three sub-tropes for deliberately monochrome: desaturating, limited palate, and splash of color (which is already another page).

When I said sepia in my OP, I meant the desaturating filter put on the lens to superficially create an "old" film look. One example for this would be Wes Anderson's newest movie Moonrise Kingdom. The movie is not shot in sepia color, but has "sepia tone" - if you get what I'm saying. People even put examples like O Brother Where Art Thou under the desaturating filter example in the Deliberately Monochrome page. These movies are definitely not monochrome in any way shape or form

I suggest that split the "desaturating" part from deliberately monochrome and called it something like "deliberate vintage filter"

Sounds overly nitpicky to me. Tropes Are Flexible. But...meh, whatever. My suggestion is, if you really feel that strongly about it, take your new trope to YKTTW and see if anyone salutes. I don't think you need TRS for this.

ETA: honestly, I suspect most people on this wiki (including me) aren't qualified to make such a fine distinction, which means that people will keep throwing the wrong works on the wrong trope. So I'm not sure the net result will actually be beneficial. On the other hand, a Useful Notes page explaining the distinction—without requiring untrained people to be able to identify individual instances—could be very useful, and I'd greatly appreciate such a thing.

edited 19th Jun '12 12:21:29 AM by Xtifr

Well, there is a case for splitting off the desaturation part of the trope, as it clashes with the trope name (but not the actual definition).

Personally I think the soft split already on the page is enough.

I'm sorry if my earlier post was unnecessarily confusing, all I'm saying is this is the "monochrome" sepia, this however is desaturated filter/post-processing and can't be considered "monochrome."

However, I agree that the basic idea behind Deliberately Monochrome and desaturated filter is the same - to give a Nostalgia Filter or at least some nostalgic tone. If the consensus is not to split the trope, then we should think of a new name for it because the current name doesn't reflect some chunk of the trope it supposed to represent

edited 19th Jun '12 3:32:17 PM by mek4life

What about a super-trope for color-shifting in general?

The current page is already the super-trope for color shifting.. If that were the consensus then we need someone to suggest a new witty name for it

However we must emphasis that the color-shift was deliberately done to invoke sense of nostalgia and not for other purpose (acid trip/drug montage for example)

edited 19th Jun '12 6:02:49 PM by mek4life

Clocking due to lack of activity.

Wow, the OP's claim is just ... frivolous.

Technically monochrome means "single color" (mono + chroma). This can mean any color, so long as it's the only hue present in the scene. So while grayscale is the first thing we think of when we hear the term, a sepia filter (or a red/blue/yellow/etc. filter) also qualifies as "monochrome".

Let's lock this thing.

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Yeah, I already covered that in post #2. There's other issues here, but none, IMO, worth a big effort.

Popular usage supports this in plenty of ways. The monochrome computer monitors we used in the 1980s were usually green or amber and black, not white and black.

Not an issue.