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ChaoticNovelist Since: Jun, 2010
#26: Jul 31st 2012 at 7:30:25 PM

Month old crowner. 15:4 in favor of rename. How about a call?

ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#27: Aug 8th 2012 at 1:30:45 PM

Calling crowner in favor of renaming. Please brainstorm some alternative titles.

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kundoo from the land of Mordor where the shadows lie Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
#28: Aug 8th 2012 at 1:45:45 PM

Sidekick In Chief? Underling Chessmaster? A Friend Behind The Man? ok, the last one is the snowclone so maybe has to be reworded. But it's closest of all to the trope as I understand it.

edited 8th Aug '12 1:57:32 PM by kundoo

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kundoo from the land of Mordor where the shadows lie Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
#29: Aug 13th 2012 at 11:16:47 AM

Bump. Are there any ideas for the new name?

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Twentington Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Desperate
#30: Aug 13th 2012 at 12:43:12 PM

Sidekick in Chief works for me.

lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#31: Oct 18th 2012 at 1:03:22 PM

Hooked an empty alt titles crowner. Add options, please.

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ChaoticNovelist Since: Jun, 2010
#32: Oct 18th 2012 at 6:56:40 PM

I lke Sidekick in Chief because it reflects the paradox of the trope; the sidekick is the one in charge despite being a sidekick. The other two sound like snowsclones and subtropes. The 'magnificent' sounds like it will attractive 'impressive sidekick' misuse

m8e from Sweden Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#33: Oct 19th 2012 at 12:07:57 AM

Sidekick In Chief is a snowclone of Dragon-in-Chief, Magnificent Sidekick is snowclone if Magnificent Bastard. I think that Sidekick In Chief misses what this trope is really about. Magnificent Sidekick matches this trope but one would have to read Magnificent Bastard to know what magnificent is.

The laconic is "A subservient Chessmaster."

I think Sidekicking Chessmaster is the best one so far.

edited 19th Oct '12 12:09:27 AM by m8e

Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#34: Oct 19th 2012 at 1:09:28 AM

"X-in-Chief" is a standard formula that long predates Dragon-in-Chief. There's no snowcloning going on there. That's just standard English production.

I do agree that Magnificent Sidekick does seem somewhat snowclonish, but I don't think you need to read that trope to know what "magnificent" means. Any dictionary should provide that information.

That said, while Sidekicking Chessmaster is a bizarre and slightly grotesque use of the word(?) "sidekicking", something along those lines could work. Like maybe Chessmaster Sidekick. I could go for that.

edited 19th Oct '12 1:11:00 AM by Xtifr

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Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#35: Oct 22nd 2012 at 9:58:52 AM

I also think Sidekick In Chief is a bad name, as it implies that the Sidekick is the one running the show without much regard for the leader, which is much closer to Hypercompetent Sidekick.

m8e from Sweden Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#36: Oct 22nd 2012 at 10:16:29 AM

The current name leader(Sidekick In Chief) doesn't say anything about the sidekick being a chessmaster, or that he is using plans at all.

The laconic is "A subservient Chessmaster."

Have you guys read the description?

"Sometimes a Poisonous Friend's chief weapons are plans. Sometimes there's a Man Behind The Magnificent Bastard. In those cases, the result is a Puss in Boots.

The Puss in Boots is a master of these tactics who could easily overthrow his or her boss, but who remains fiercely loyal to said boss, for diverse reasons. This counts double if the master of the Puss in Boots is a Badass or a Strategist in his own right. In this case, the Puss in Boots is an Infinity Plus One Tactician.

If the boss is an idiot or otherwise incompetent, this overlaps with Hypercompetent Sidekick. See also Battle Butler, Sidekick Ex Machina and Guardian Entity.

edited 22nd Oct '12 10:19:41 AM by m8e

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#37: Oct 22nd 2012 at 10:19:54 AM

Sidekickish Chessmaster?

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Escher Since: Nov, 2010
#38: Oct 22nd 2012 at 10:32:53 AM

I like Chessmaster Sidekick. It explains precisely what the trope is — a specific type of Hypercompetent Sidekick whose particular strength is in putting together plans and manipulations rather than, say, being a tech genius, a kung-fu master, or a competent business manager.

lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#39: Nov 5th 2012 at 8:32:30 AM

Crowner called.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#40: Nov 12th 2012 at 8:29:06 AM

Rename done.

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