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i like howard the duck so i'll probably read it.

this is what most of the trope pages i read about civil war say. i have no idea what is supposed to be right anymore other than CW was apparently really bad anyway so it doesn't matter.

edited 4th Aug '15 11:32:31 AM by wehrmacht

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Maybe they'll pair the spares when it comes to Bruno and Lisa.

Millar intended the pro-Regs to be right but the rest of the writers were firmly in the "Anti-Reg is right," camp. JMS is even on record as asking, "Iron Man is a supervillain now?" in response to hearing about the story. Millar's biggest mistake was assuming that fans would have no reason to agree with Cap's side of the conflict, so he tried to have the anti-Regs Kick the Dog a bunch to make up for the fact that their side seemed so infallible.

Millar clearly hadn't been paying much attention to superhero fans, as most immediately took Cap's side on principle right off the bat, so the pro-Regs' tendency toward dog-kicking just became proof that there was no ambiguity in this conflict at all, and that they were just 100% wrong. Meanwhile, the other writers took this as an opportunity to to take potshots at the story by launching into Author Filibusters against the concept of Registration, "revealing" ulterior motives for pro-Regs like the one writer who accused Stark of war profiteering, or just plain dedicating an issue to their character beating up Iron Man.

But, like I said, it was mostly an Excuse Plot. Millar wanted a morally ambiguous Excuse Plot, but the point was still to have superheroes punching each other. Any possibility of a message is sorely undermined by the fact that we never actually get to see the SHRA and, in fact, Marvel's policy at the time was that there would never be an ironclad definition of what the SHRA is so that every writer could just depict it however they want.

edited 4th Aug '15 2:27:31 PM by TobiasDrake

Another uncomfortable message that I remember a lot of people getting from CW is "Superheroes are irrelevant in a post-9/11 world." Note how Cap is finally defeated not by Tony but by a group of "real-life" heroes: Cops, firefighters, and paramedics. Was this an intended message? I DUNNO LOL, but it was one a lot of people got.

Cap wasn't even defeated. He surrendered after their involvement made it apparent to him that in order to achieve his goals this way, he would have to go to war against the very people he dedicated his life to defending. This was, at least in presentation, his My God, What Have I Done? moment where he steps back from the brink of outright supervillainy, the good guys win, and the setting moves into the new status quo of a post-Registration world.

It makes sense if you look at it through Millar's lens of, "The pro-Regs are unambiguously right." But, of course, fans and the other writers saw it very differently.

edited 4th Aug '15 2:32:36 PM by TobiasDrake

I've heard Millar himself is apparently quite right-wing politically, so I wouldn't be surprised if that influenced the story.

Eh, then you might as well said any plot is an Excuse Plot. I think Millar wanted to tell a story about security vs liberty, and that was what he did. He (and likely the editorial) also wanted to make heroes vs heroes, so they did that also. The fact the later is there doesn't mean the first is just an excuse.

And then it turned out Captain America was always wrong because he doesn't watch NASCAR.

That was actually by Paul Jenkins (the same man who gave us everyone's favorite character, The Sentry), though, who seemed to be one of Millar's few allies.

edited 4th Aug '15 3:30:11 PM by HamburgerTime

Millar licks goats

A very convincing placard said so.

Nextwave knows that science is a trick on white people and that the shamans of the mountains, the jungle, the desert and the steppe have hated Stephen Hawking for five thousand years.

Nextwave: You must buy six copies of this comic now.

Nextwave are in your room and touching your stuff.

Nextwave should only be taken in 100 mg doses and never through the urethra.

Nextwave: blatantly wasting your money since 2006.

I miss Nextwave. Is Stuart Immonen doing anything? Can he and Warren Ellis team up again? Please?

edited 4th Aug '15 3:48:17 PM by alliterator

Nextwave is love.◊

edited 4th Aug '15 3:49:33 PM by Bocaj

So someone at Comics Alliance wrote a thing, and Twitter blew up including the writer of Blade commenting on it. I think the non-troversy overshadowed the original point of the article which is valid, because really the straightwashing of Hercules and Alex Alonso's flippant attitude towards it was embarrassing.

And to the surprise of no one but the anti-MCU fanboys caping hard for Fox, the Fantastic Four reboot sucks.

Yeah, his points are pretty much dead-on. I'm not boycotting Marvel, but they seriously need to step it right the fuck up. They still don't have a single black writer confirmed for after Secret Wars. Alonso's hinted at it, but until we get a name, hints don't mean jack shit. They might have an LGBT solo right now, depending on whether Angela is actually romantically involved with Sera. The subtext is strong enough that it's damned near confirmed - especially since Gillen was initially the lead writer on the book, and he's got a very strong record of including LGBT representation in his works - but it's not actually confirmed, so it doesn't technically count as an LGBT book yet.

So, yeah, I don't blame that guy at all. Especially with Alonso's pure dickishness regarding Hercules' orientation. Hopefully, he'll be asked about it in the next Axel-In-Charge interview. I would think, given the controversy, they'd pretty much have to bring it up again.

I'm still hoping that Abnett depicts Hercules as enjoying sleeping with men. Fuck what Alonso says.

edited 4th Aug '15 11:37:55 PM by Tiamatty

While there's been no black writers, there's been plenty of POC artists - Mahmud Asrar on All-New, All-Different Avengers, Ramon Perez on All-New Hawkeye, Ramon Rosanas on Astonishing Ant-Man, Paco Medina on Contest of Champions, Takeshi Miyazawa and Adrian Alphona on Ms. Marvel, Stacey Lee on Silk, Javier Rodriguez on Spider-Woman, and Frank Cho on Totally Awesome Hulk.

The thing is, artists don't really determine the direction of a story. The story is told by the writer. So while it's great that Marvel's kept several people of colour as artists over the past few years, the lack of people of colour as writers has been glaring and downright offensive. The only perspective we've been getting has been the white perspective. Even the books with characters of colour, it's a white person's perspective on a person of colour's perspective.

To hear all of these things happening at once is rather disappointing, especially since Marvel have had a reputation in the last few years for increasing diversity. I still love Marvel though.

Giant Size AVX continues to be hilarious. Like Spider-Man saying how the Avengers play fast and loose with membership and points to Wolverine who says he is only there for the bounce house and to not tell Cyclops because he will get Eye Hurt. Then the Got G show up at the end.

Kathryn Immonen says that Peggy Carter and Sif will team up for SHIELD's 50th anniversary.

Marvel needs an Agent Carter/Lady Sif ongoing series by Kathryn Immonen. Seriously. Got on that, Marvel.

Shame to hear about the FF reboot, as well. What was supposed to be so bad about it?

what the movie? well what's getting people riled up now is that it's clobbering time was what ben's brother used to say before he beat him.

Wow, what cheap schmaltz. "We're so relevant."

Can you please tag your spoilers, thank you? Some of us actually want to see the movie.

I thought that was from the ultimate comics or something

Becuase they got pretty bad.

Keikaku, backfiring.

Not that I'm terribly surprised at this recent clusterfuck, as most Marvel's recent diversification has come off as, I dunno, manufactured.

Anyway, hee◊.