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Hey, Ernst is awesome! Take that back!

D-did you just knock Doop? Aaron didn't create him for WATXM y'know.

Its hard for me to judge the Morrison run

How much of what I don't like in the latter half was on Morrison's ideas being bad and how much of it was on him rushing to get as much done as he could before leaving?

The Riot at Xavier's story is my favorite of the run but everything after that feels half formed.

I absolutely adored the last arc, Here Comes Tomorrow, and Planet X was good too, I thought.

David Mandel of Seinfeld, Curb Your Enthusiasm, and Veep talks about his one-shot comic for Secret Wars (2015), "Hank Johnson: Agent of HYDRA".

It doesn't matter who created him, what matters is that he was absolutely abhorrent and easily the worst part of the already-terrible mess that was WATXM.

What did you think of him in X-Statix, if you've read that?

I haven't. >.> There's not a lot prior to Civil War that I've read. The spectacular New Mutants run that morphed into the thoroughly distasteful New X-Men after Decimation and JMS's Amazing Spider-Man are the only things that come to mind.

Oh, and I read Operation: Galactic Storm on a "Read all the Avengers events!" binge that didn't go any further than that; not because it was a bad story, it was fantastic, but because I got distracted by other things.

edited 27th Jul '15 10:54:01 AM by TobiasDrake

X-Statix is highly recommended to anyone.

Anyway, reading than interview with Morrison it actually sounds like he was more okay with leaving than I thought he was. He says in there that he wanted to leave his mark on a major series, then go do creator-owned stuff at Vertigo. Huh. I could swear he said he originally wanted a run as long as Claremont's.

Glob, No-Girl and Ernst are last gen mutants too you know.

@Hamburger Time: Well, to each their own. Those arcs didn't work for me but I can see how they could work for others

Plus, telepathic scottish mutant whale.

Planet X was brilliant, and Here Comes Tomorrow was really cool.

X-Statix was brilliant. Just an absolutely fantastic skewering of reality TV that also managed to be filled with compelling drama and pathos. Also, the Allreds on art. Always great. So I'd definitely recommend checking out X-Statix.

Same here. Seriously, it's brilliant. Anyone who hasn't checked it should really give it a look. Just know that the first half of the series is actually made up of the last 20 or so issues of X-Force, which was relaunched as X-Static later on.

edited 27th Jul '15 2:12:24 PM by kkhohoho

X-Force.

An early issue actually had them attacked by the original X-Force, who were all thought to be dead at the time, as of the end of Ellis' run on the book. The characters broke their cover out of pure annoyance at a reality TV show team stealing their name.

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DOH!

Anyway, fixed now. Sorry about that.

Early-2000s X-Men was the bomb. Except Austen. He should go sit in a corner and think about what he's done.

I read that as "he should be shot in a corner."

And yeah, I don't blame the X-Office for working on the established mutants but it's kinda sad that none of the mutants introduced in the 2000s broke out other than X-23 and maybe Armor. Armor should at least be part of the main team.

Fantomex and the Cuckoos also show up pretty often.

Anyway, the reason I brought this up is because I'm rereading Morrison's run right now. I want to read Claremont's, too (it's all up on Marvel Unlimited) but I'm not sure I have the time.

Yeah; as amazing and landmark as Claremonts' run was, the only real possible problem with it (well, aside from the near-constant description of characters' powers and abilities despite the fact that we can clearly see what they can do, but whatever,) was that it was loooooooooooooooooooooooooong,. The only mainstream comic runs I can think that are even longer than it would be Cary Bates' 1968-1985 run on The Flash, and Robert Kanigher's 1947-1968 run on Wonder Woman, neither of which I've actually read. (And if you count Claremonts' New Mutants issues as part of his X-Men run, then it becomes about as long as those two other runs in terms of issue count.)

And on top of that, Claremonts' comics were dense. One issue was worth two if not three of your average comics today, and that's without reading most of the text boxes. Don't get me wrong, I loved his X-Men and I still do, but do you know how long it took me to get through it? 2-3 years. Granted, I sometimes took breaks of several months at a time, but after reading though years of X-Men comics in the span of 6-7 months at a time, I needed those breaks. (And I still resumed my Avengers binge during those breaks anyway, so I was still keeping busy.) Because of that, I can see myself reading, say, the Dark Phoenix Saga or Days of Future past again, but the whole run? No thank you, or at least not anytime soon.

edited 27th Jul '15 8:34:23 PM by kkhohoho

I've read Lee/Kirby all the way through, and I guess I have to read the infamously bland Thomas run first before I can proceed to Claremont; not really looking forward to that.

Are you kidding? Thomas's run may not have been on Claremonts' level, but it was still a classic in it's own right. We are talking about the Thomas/Adams run, right? If nothing else, Adams' art is absolutely gorgeous, that's for sure. Unless you're talking about Thomas' first run, without Adam? In which case, yeah, that was a bit bland, but hey, it did gives us Changeling, and without Changeling, we wouldn't have Morph, so that's something alright about it at least. (Oh, and he gave us Banshee, so kudos to that too.)

edited 27th Jul '15 8:38:44 PM by kkhohoho

I read both of those recently.

I had forgotten that the Dark Phoenix saga had a guy mindjacking Jean into thinking she's a dominatrix from colonial america days.

Or that Days of Future Past was so... short. Its a nice, concise story.

Tiamatty didn't have very many good things to say about it, and I've heard it doesn't really do much with anything.

Did give us Polaris and Havok though.

Huh? I could have sworn Tiamatty said it was a classic. Or maybe I was wrong. 'Matty? Can you help us out here?

Days of Future Past was very epic, and makes me wish even more that Fox did a more faithful adaptation but they pretend Xavier, Magneto and Wolverine are the only important mutants.

Make me sad that's Jubilee is probably more well known than Kitty Pryde. There needs to be a definitive version of Kitty in a derivative work, though X-Men Evo came close.

God Loves, Man Kills to me was probably better than both Do FP and the DPS mainly because it holds up more especially under today's American society.

edited 27th Jul '15 9:18:16 PM by MegaJ