Sexism

edited 2nd Feb '18 8:37:16 AM by Fourthspartan56

that goes beyond just porn in my opinion. To hell with Moral Guardians.

Nah, Moral Guardians are good as long the morals are right and the method justifies the end and the reverse. Absolute freedom is a meme.

In theory, but in reality (in the US at-least) Moral Guardian tends to be synonymous with irrational backwards puritan.

It is one of those things that sounds nice in theory but sucks in reality more often than not.

Going back to all the public exposure of powerful men committing sexual misconduct, hardcore shaming works best when offered with a side of redemption. At least, assuming your goal is to make these men change their behavior and stop committing sexual assault. ^{Full article text}  Emphasis mine.

That makes sense, if there's no chance of improving your image then why change your behavior? It would literally change nothing and thus have no real purpose or benefit. It's part of the reason why rehabilitative justice is just so much more effective than punitive.

Did that article really have to frame it as "helping" them be better people? As if it's saying that they are victims too?

I guess the word "help" in the url itself sticks out a bit.

edited 2nd Feb '18 10:58:44 AM by M84

I guess it's true you got to be careful not to push people into Then Let Me Be Evil territory.

At the same time, you can't validate the narrative that they are somehow victims of a sex addiction or something.

Certainly, but to be fair the article does explicitly state that strong social sanction is necessary. So it's not calling for some kind of pathetic consequence-free forgiveness.

I guess I'm reading too much into the word "help" in that url. At least that word isn't in the title itself.

I would say that it's understandable. Our society bends over backwards to excuse the powerful when they engage in such acts, so it makes sense that one would be leery of an article that argues for a chance at redemption.

Still I think the article makes a good point and thankfully avoids the pitfalls of treating them as victims instead of the predators they are.

edited 2nd Feb '18 1:02:51 PM by Fourthspartan56

Just a daily reminder of the sexist madness that exists in certain corners of the Internet.

Well that's a delightful smorgasbord of awfulness and craziness, still learned a new word (blue knighting) so that's... something.

For extra entertainment value, incel "thought leader" Caamib shows up in the comments to try and argue with the posters. The results are as hysterical as ever.

And more from the same. The urge among elements of the "incel" and anti-feminist right to destigmatize sex with children is pretty scary stuff.

edited 3rd Feb '18 10:55:40 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Hm... I'm calling Poe's Law on that one. Almost feels a bit like a modern version of A Modest Proposal or something.

Considering the existence of MRA's and Incels it's completely believable.

edited 3rd Feb '18 11:03:47 AM by Fourthspartan56

You'd be wrong. Daily Antifeminist's been up and running for a while, and it and its fans are very real. I also direct you again to the attempted motherfucker himself, Caamib, showing up in the comments to hassle the posters.

There's nothing there that you don't find on Chateau Hersiste, or Evinde Berge, or Roosh V, or Caamib's own sites and blogs. Anti-feminist hysteria mixed with rape apologia and demands for legalized paedophilia? Just another day in the incel part of the Internet.

edited 3rd Feb '18 11:06:01 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

So I see the anti-feminist equivalent of Daily Stormer is doing far too well.

That was extremely depressing and horrifying and my heart is crushed to think that there are men out there who think that way I agree that we shouldn't import the drama, though, but perhaps we could use it as a springboard to tackle something they mention repeatedly: the topic of "soyboys" and estrogens.

So after watching this I got a little bit alarmed that my favourite web guide on performing the "man" gender role, The Art Of Manliness (the title may or may not be self-aware about the performativeness it suggests)... It wasn't as disappointing as I feared, but also not as reassuring as I had hoped.

It turns out that they too obsess about testosterone levels, though more in the style of a run-of-the-mill health fad. They tend to be a fair bit more nuanced and tentative than you'd expect, though, often using phrases like "evidence suggests" and "it seems that" and "you should consult your doctor" and "this is only one factor among many and [caveat caveat caveat]".

One bit that I found noteworthy in both a cynical and heartwarming way: they go to great lengths to associate high-testosterone with male dominance borne of pro-social behaviour, fairness, kindness, responsibility, confidence, derring-do, etc. and not aggressiveness, let alone violence. Conveniently, this corresponds exactly to the ideal of manliness that they preach.

On the matter of soy, there's only one paragraph on the entire website, on a post about slightly falling average sperm counts.

So they're peddling that same nonsense, but with some amount of restraint. Still, they're definitely big fans of red meat, hunting, grills, and barbecues. But, again, I'm disappointed that they didn't make the effort to verify the sources on that the way hbomber did.

Oh... I just went #Not All Manliness Mindful Men, did I? The kind of rape apologists that float around the manosphere would get crucified on Art of Manliness. Those guys are White Knights at worst.

But, well, I like traditional masculinity. I like the people who uphold it and try to rid it of its heavy baggage of injustice, ignorance, and oppressiveness. I acknowledge that they make some really stupid mistakes in the process. But I just want to say that, well, there's some beautiful stuff out there that's worth salvaging.

I guess I'm reacting to those "incels" and "redpillers" the way left-wing Christians react to, say, prosperity gospel preachers and far-right reactionary Christians. Desperate to convince our fellow leftists that these things we love are worth saving, despite the jerks giving them a bad name.

I've been going through some of that Anti-Feminist articles.

First, the owner of the blog is remarkably similar to certain someone from my college who was stupid enough to write in the colleges facebook's page that women shouldn't be in Engineering school and had some gems that would be considered outdated in the 19th century. Are these guys a hivemind or what?

Second, this guy doesn't have just issues. He is outright undoubtedly fucked up, basically a self admitted pedophile rapist on a crusade to normalize pedophilia and rape. He essentially equates his issues with not being able to rape and have sex with women and girls whenever he wants as a feminist puritan issue.

Rape apologia, promoting sex with minors, child pornography and equating men's emasculation with not being able to have sex with whatever woman they desire to regardless of social status, age and parentage.

Not that is just weird by itself but he also uses a twisted view of history and other countries, like the Middle East, Southeast Asia and Japan being supposedly pedo heavens, as if the things he believes should be normal wouldn't get him hanged by the balls and then by the neck in the countries and the time periods he believes those things were/are normal.

Honestly, like Ambar, I've seen and met those kind of people in person but I am nowhere vested in seeing them spouting that kind of bullshit in public.

They're evil, and they're insane enough that they don't know it. It's sad and strange and frightening.

Then who are we nerds ever going to date?

edited 4th Feb '18 1:33:59 AM by TheHandle

2D waifus, imaginary projections, genital shaped toys...

But really, those guys still think they are going to marry a virgin woman who wants to be nothing but a housewife.

Also they know what they are saying is fucked up, they want to normalize that behaviour and blame normies and feminists for ruining everything for them.