Mass Effect cleanup

Low quality photoshop edit to a free image seems like They Just Didn't Care to me, honestly.

If you saw a personal attack in what I said, you were looking to be offended. I didn't personally attack anyone.

As for that pic, that's the kind of thing Special Effect Failure is meant for. And beyond that, it could be described much more briefly than what is currently on the page. That is a bunch of Natter.

I would argue that Tali's picture does belong in TJDC. It was a half-assed approach they took. They probably spent 5 minutes finding an image, and another 5 Photoshopping it.

Natter is not about articles being long or short. Natter is basically conversation present in the entry.

I know what Natter is. My point is that much of that entry, which I'd move to Special Effects Failure, does count as Natter.

I don't know how anyone can see Natter on this:

"After spending two games hyping up what Tali looks like, they reveal her face now. People who romance Tali can get a picture of her. It's just a royalty free stock photo of a brunette smiling with the sun behind her, that's been altered◊ slightly in Photoshop. "

The only mistake here is that I think you can get the photo even if you don't romance her (if she dies).

I meant the whole of the TJDC entry on the game is Natter, not just the one line.

The rest was removed because even if the ending was horrible it doesn't belong to TJDC. I wanted to move those lines to Shocking Swerve, after a cleanup. I posted my version of said lines a few posts ago.

I'm looking at the YMMV page for Mass Effect 3 right now. The entry for TJDC features the second bullet point conversing with the first, and the fourth looks like it's talking with itself. Yes, there is natter on that entry. And not all related to the picture. Nor is it all related to the ending.

...you're looking at the wrong page. We were talking about the main They Just Didn't Care page.

For the YMMV They Just Didn't Care entry in Mass Effect 3, I would only leave Tali's photo, the artbook example cited there, and maybe the ending flashbacks for love interests. For the ones who don't know about this, at the end you get a flashback of the face of your love interest, but if you chose certain people (Tali, Jack, etc) you get the default Liara flashback instead. It's not a bug because the flashbacks for these characters do not appear in the game files.

There was also a photoshopped ad that copied another ad from The Walking Dead, but I am not sure if this was Bioware/EA's fault or what. Does anyone remember this incident?

edited 22nd May '12 1:42:14 PM by Anfauglith

Ah... see, when I saw the title of the page, I was looking at the issues on the Mass Effect pages themselves (though I do know that both sets of pages needed cleaning). That does clear up a bunch.

I'm willing to keep the artbook entry, since the entire artbook seems to have been put together by someone who slept through the process. The others (particularly the ending parts, because of just how controversial anything involving the ending is), I'd move to other tropes or just cut outright. That'd be the solution that would involve the least amount of controversy, given the trope in question.

It's not just because of the controversy, it's because storytelling failures do not count as They Just Didn't Care, so we agree there. Well I had never seen these entries before, and they look too biased. Now they will get even more credibility while still focusing on the objective problems with the game instead of losing themselves in pointless hyperbole.

Anyways I have to go now, I will be back later. 2 or 3 hours later, to be precise.

Oh and mods look into my holler about the vandal if you can, please. It would be very appreciated.

edited 22nd May '12 2:08:29 PM by Anfauglith

Apparently the Mass Effect/Walking Dead poster was a official cross promotion. Bioware did give Walking Dead its first Mass Effect 3 commercial airing rights. While it is another quick shop I don't think it fits They Just Didn't Care.

edited 22nd May '12 2:07:59 PM by Spirit

Think we should touch on the YMMV page for ME3? Or just focus on trope pages for now?

Well, they'll have to be taken care of eventually - if nothing else, if you remove parts of the entries for Mass Effect from the trope pages but not the pages for the games, someone will come by and "helpfully" cross-reference the content.

In some ways, it'd actually be easier (especially with Mass Effect 3, since the page is locked and thus safe from further objectionable additions) to clean the pages for the games themselves and follow by scrubbing the tropes in question.

Not to bring us back to something that you guys moved on from, but I'm disputing the Tali photo from They Just Didn't Care. Based off comments from one of the writers EA was very stingy with giving Bioware resources, and that caused a lot of corners to be cut in order to meet the second deadline. So it's less a case of Bioware not caring about Tali and more a case of Bioware not having the time and money to create a new 3D model to show her face.

Show us your source and we may overturn the decision.

Then EA didn't care. 'Tis the same. Oh and there was a full model done for Jessica Chobot so I don't think that excuse is valid.

If that's the case then it would fall more into Executive Meddling than They Just Didn't Care, possibly with a side of What Could Have Been.

Not really. Bioware even defended the crappy photoshop, saying it fits their artistic vision for her face and whatever. I can find a source if anyone needs it. Plus there were countless options for dealing with the issue that weren't making a 2 minute photoshop.

edited 22nd May '12 5:09:50 PM by Anfauglith

Did they?

I don't remember this happening.

In other words: pics or didn't happen.

Lo and behold the Source.

Also, this is just awesome◊

edited 22nd May '12 5:30:31 PM by Anfauglith

Then does it count as They Just Didn't Care if the developers like the end result? The article states that they "poured through thousands and thousands of source art to lock in." It would be sort of the same thing as looking through various models to decide who they would base other characters' appearances off of.

(Pretty interesting read too, Anfauglith! =^_^=)

It counts because it's a cheap photoshop. Developers defend the end result, so it means they do not regret anything about it because it fits their "artistic vision"; they don't even excuse themselves. I repeat, it's a cheap photoshop of a royalty-free image.