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World's Toughest Milkman
I'm mostly neutral on the name. I disagree that it's "completely counterintuitive"; in fact, I think it does an ok job of suggesting the trope. But I freely admit its not great, and does have some ambiguity. So...meh? I'm certainly open to suggestions.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
Ecce Homo Superior
I don't get the trope from the current name. It sounds like it's either about a doll (but with no indication that it's about a delusional mother thinking it's her child), or some cheesy term of endearment.

Inanimate Surrogate Child? Boring, but clear.

edited 23rd Sep '12 5:53:24 AM by DoktorvonEurotrash

(it's David Bowie)
World's Toughest Milkman
Go ahead and throw your name suggestions at the YKTTW discussion and see what people think. Examples too, if ya got 'em. :)

We've quadrupled the number of examples already, and even got a few image suggestions. I think it won't be too much longer before it's ready for launch.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
World's Toughest Milkman
I think the YKTTW version is starting to look good; could really use some hats, or some feedback if you don't think it's ready.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 30 aoirann, Sun, 21st Oct '12 6:13:30 PM from Between ideas and dreams
Commander
Maybe "The woman who mistook a doll for her daughter?" Mouthful but clear and a reference to a famous book.
To the honor of ancestors.
 31 shimaspawn, Sun, 21st Oct '12 6:14:01 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] That is not a page name. That is a laconic.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
World's Toughest Milkman
By my count, the current name has the strongest support so far (three in favor, one actively opposed). The other suggestions that have been made are not very good, in my opinion, so I'm inclined to keep the current name unless the renamers make a better case than they have so far, and offer some better suggestions.

Remember, we're looking for a title, not a description. And especially not for an ambiguous description that could easily mean other things. The tendency towards overly-literal, overly-descriptive names recently has been proven to be counter-productive.

Keeping the current name is the path of least resistance, and I think the current name is very much good enough. So unless someone else takes the effort to establish a true consensus for something else, I plan to stick with the name we have.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 33 lu 127, Mon, 22nd Oct '12 11:58:30 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
My Baby Doll has my support as well.
迷子の足音消えた
代わりに祈りの唄
 34 Septimus Heap, Mon, 22nd Oct '12 12:01:34 PM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
No idea why someone wants to change this name.

Btw, is the delusion bit necessary, or is any treating of dolls as your own children right here?

World's Toughest Milkman
[up]Treating a doll as a child without believing it's a child would probably fall under Egg Sitting or Replacement Goldfish, depending.

eta: if you have an example that doesn't fit either of those, bring it to the YKTTW, and we can discuss it.

edited 22nd Oct '12 12:09:42 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 36 Madrugada, Mon, 22nd Oct '12 1:41:31 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Possible name: Baby-Doll Baby
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
Ecce Homo Superior
[up]I prefer that to the current one.
(it's David Bowie)
World's Toughest Milkman
[up]I already counted your much-repeated lone vote against the name in post 32.

I have no particular interest in the name; I think the current name is just fine, and I'm definitely not alone in that, but I'll go along with whatever people decide. I have nothing against Maddy's suggestion, but I don't see it as a particular improvement either. There is zero evidence that the current name is causing problems.

Available evidence suggests that a rename vote would fail, but the evidence is also very weak, so that may not be the case. I'll vote against a rename if it's brought to a vote, because I don't see any point, but you're welcome to try to force the issue with a crowner if you feel so strongly about it. Otherwise....
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 39 nrjxll, Tue, 23rd Oct '12 12:58:51 PM Relationship Status: Not war
Personally, even knowing what this trope is, I still find it difficult to remember that it's not about cheesy endearments.

World's Toughest Milkman
If someone else wants to make a crowner, I certainly won't object. I'll even go so far as to say that since this was a premature launch, we can probably skip the rename crowner and go straight to a names crowner, as long as we include the original in the list of names. This is basically a second attempt at YKTTW.

I don't care enough about the name or see enough problem in the current name to bother making a crowner myself, but that shouldn't be an impediment to anyone else who feels more strongly about the matter.

My interest is getting the examples from the YKTTW onto an actual page somewhere. Anywhere. :)

eta: Basically, if you care so much about the name, then either put up or shut up. Please. And soon, please.

edited 23rd Oct '12 1:28:47 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 41 Septimus Heap, Tue, 23rd Oct '12 1:28:47 PM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
I don't see enough of a case to make a crowner here. Remember, we are trying to clean TRS out, not fill it up with poorly-founded problems.

World's Toughest Milkman
In any case, whether we rename or not is a question that can be resolved separately from the YKTTW.

The YKTTW did not come to a quick resolution on the matter of the name, but it did come up with a whole bunch of examples, and all it really needs at this point, IMO, is some hats. This thread really can't be closed until the YKTTW is launched. Whatever you may think about the name, please add comments (if you have them) or hats (if you agree with me that we have sufficient examples). The YKTTW is here.

The trope has already been launched (prematurely), so the YKTTW doesn't need to wait for the name question to be resolved. We have a place to put the examples, and the existing trope can be renamed independently of the YKTTW. So please, send hats.

thanks
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 43 lu 127, Fri, 26th Oct '12 10:40:20 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Sent a hat to the YKTTW, since it really looks ready.
迷子の足音消えた
代わりに祈りの唄
World's Toughest Milkman
[up]Thanks. Two more and we can at least consider the content issues settled, if not the name.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 45 aoirann, Sat, 27th Oct '12 2:53:44 PM from Between ideas and dreams
Commander
I think it's good too. Enough examples for it to stand on it's own.
To the honor of ancestors.
World's Toughest Milkman
[up]Um, then please go click on "add a hat" down at the bottom? Please and thank you. :)
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
World's Toughest Milkman
Ok, YKTTW has been "launched". (Actually, I copied it over, then marked it as discarded, with an explanatory comment and a link on the discussion page.)

This is your everyone's last chance to make a rename crowner. Otherwise, I think we're done here.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 48 lu 127, Sat, 3rd Nov '12 11:56:45 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Renewing clock. If no one comes forth in three days, we're done.
迷子の足音消えた
代わりに祈りの唄
Ecce Homo Superior
OK, feel free to mock me for my ignorance, but how do you make a single-prop crowner?
(it's David Bowie)
World's Toughest Milkman
It's already been decided that this doesn't need a single-prop, since it was a premature launch. Just go straight to alternative names and make sure My Baby Doll is on the list.

If you're really going to bother, I'll throw in Baby Doll Madness as a suggestion.

Documentation on making crowners is at How Crowners Work.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.

Alternative Titles: My Baby Doll
4th Nov '12 2:28:34 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
At issue:
Propose alternative names for the trope currently known as My Baby Doll
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