Profile/ may prevent confusion with Characters/.
These I mentioned earlier, but unpublished works getting their own namespace means they don't have to show up in "related to" pages and the pages could have a white skin. With the work subpage namespace change proposal, separating the unpublished works as a work namespace also makes sense.
UnpublishedWorks/ seems too long. My idea is just Unpublished/.
Characters who have pages to themselves fall into one of two categories: major comic book characters and all other characters. The former are treated as a work, as it's an easier method of organizing things than having a separate page for every single comic about the character. These are the characters who can have self-demonstrating pages, and like any other page where the self-demonstration majorly changes the style/understandability of the page, the self-demonstrating versions of the pages go in SelfDemonstrating/. The latter only go on a page by themselves if they have so many tropes associated with them that having them combined with other characters would break the page due to length. These pages are normal character pages, just specialized, so they belong in Characters/.
SelfDemonstrating/ pages for characters can also be Just For Fun, in which case they have no real analog on the main wiki (as they're troped elsewhere, likely on a combined Characters/ page), but are present because people thought it would be fun to have an article about them written in their own voice.
edited 20th Aug '13 10:14:02 PM by Nocturna
I thought that SelfDemonstrating/ pages were only for existing pages with self demonstrating articles moved off the main page or created for fun. Characters should be namespaced normally and indexed on Self-Demonstrating Article.
Characters should only be indexed on Self-Demonstrating Article if they're self-demonstrating. Generally, they're not. And if they are, often the article ought to be re-written in normal style and self-demonstrating version moved to SelfDemonstrating/. It's very rare that a character page is going to be self-demonstrating in a non-distracting way.
So, it would be helpful to have some sort of namespace for characters with their own pages that aren't subpages of a work. The right namespace should be appropriate even for Jenny Everywhere.
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I could see Character/ for such pages as Jenny Everywhere.
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It might be prudent, if we go with that move, to also change Characters/ to CharacterSheet/. Other than any issues with two word namespaces, it would be much clearer what was what.
edited 21st Aug '13 6:51:38 PM by TotemicHero
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I don't think that makes sense. There are already plenty of Characters/ pages that are character sheets. I still support moving them to Characters/.
Can you list some other than the ones in Characters.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic? Those are in Characters/ because they are subpages. The other examples stand on their own.
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Going to disagree with @183: The "s" at the end should cover just enough, and besides, renaming the namespace would be a huge effort.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanSo, for standalone character pages, I'm fine either with Character/ or Profile/. Whatever we choose, all of those pages should be moved to that namespace, and they should be indexed as well.
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Do I read this right, the proposal is to use:
- Profile/ (I prefer it to Character/, as the latter is just off one letter to Characters/) for people who don't define a franchise (such as Historical Domain Character and Public Domain Character).
- The appropriate media namespace for people who define a franchise.
Those pages all need to be moved out of main. It looks like Profile/ will give the greatest versitility, since it can be used for fictional and nonfictional characters including G La DOS, Jenny Everywhere, Attila The Hun, Loki, and Benjamin Franklin.
edited 22nd Aug '13 6:21:12 AM by Rethkir
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No, that would be bad. SelfDemonstrating/ (which is where GLaDOS is and Loki should be) is distinct from Public Domain and Historical Domain characters. Completely different purpose. I have no objections to creating a namespace for Public Domain and Historical Domain characters, but it should contain only those and not have other types of pages lumped into it.
Self-Demonstrating writeups ought to go into SelfDemonstrating/. The normal writeups ought to go into the namespaces defined in my previous post.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanOkay, that makes sense. So, SelfDemonstrating/ if it's written in first person and has a comedic purpose, or is Just for Fun, and Profile/ if it's written normally.
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I think we should reserve Profile/ for those people who don't define franchises and need separate pages, which includes Historical Domain Character and Public Domain Character by default.
edited 22nd Aug '13 9:17:09 AM by SeptimusHeap
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Also note that it wouldn't include pages which are subpages of Characters/ (that is, those pages which are about a single character only by virtue of a combined Characters/ page being too big).
Relevant to your discussion: It's currently established that Historical Domain Characters (or more generally, all pages on real life persons who are not creators) go in UsefulNotes/. See this Special Efforts thread
. Also this post by Madrugada.
edited 22nd Aug '13 12:08:42 PM by LordGro
Let's just say and leave it at that.
The difference between UsefulNotes/ and Profile/, in my mind, is:
- UsefulNotes/ is for the real person. So UsefulNotes.Adolf Hitler would be about the real Hitler, and would not e.g contain villain tropes.
- Profile/ is more about the fictional portrayal. Profile.Adolf Hitler would have to be about his show portrayal.
Not sure if such a separation is worthwhile or even desirable. Useful Notes pages are supposed to be about RL stuff as relevant to fiction. Including show portrayals on the Useful Notes pages themselves is both more intuitive and drives home that our objective is analyzing media and fiction, not being a general encyclopedia. I think the new Charles Manson page is a good model for the basic structure of a historical RL person page.
I also think the name 'Profile/' is pretty counterintuitive for the outlined purpose. I actually liked the suggestion you yourself made a while ago, namely to make example pages for individual Historical Domain Characters in a HistoricalDomainCharacter/ namespace. If we need pages for fictional portrayals separate from Useful Notes pages (which I'm not quite convinced of), then a HistoricalDomainCharacter/ namespace is the appropriate place.
The reason why I backed off HistoricalDomainCharacter/ is because I feel it's overly narrow.
The reason why I support Profile/ is because such a page would act like a profile for the character.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanAbraham Lincoln has one section for his tropes in real life, and another for his portrayal in fiction, even though it's a Useful Notes page.
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Still no new comments on an Unpublished/ namespace.
Only opposition I've seen was by a moderator on the extent of work, but I think the benefits are worth the effort.
How about Profile/ for character sheets and such?
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