The thread limit in IP is currently 400, and the forum is consistently well below that.

However, the IP forum consists of four pages. Pretty much all the activity is on the first page, with the remaining three being forgotten issues that just stick around until someone clocks them. If a first-page issue is resolved and closed, a new one will come in, preventing the second-page threads to ever drift back to the top.

I don't think this is desirable, and I suggest that the IP thread cap be made much lower - say 100 or 200. Given how quickly the average IP thread is resolved, that should not be a problem.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

I wouldn't mind a reduction either, but not quite that low...maybe 300 at most. Also, I've been clocking threads when they hit 45 days since the last post...TRS may be using a 30-day window for clocking, so if IP moved to that as well, that would get a lot of the chaff culled out quicker.

The reason why TRS uses 30 days is because I moved in with the holler button right after the thread cull in March. All threads with no replies in 30 days were locked. Hence, I have been working at getting threads clocked once they hit 30 days.

In order to reduce the standard of IP to 30 days, we first have to clean out all the threads older than that.

And yes, I can get behind IP's cap being dropped to 250 - maybe expand the front page like it was done on TRS?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Expanding the front page would also be good, largely for the same reason.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

I think we also need to par down the number of stickies in IP. My opinion is that 4 is both the maximum (too much and your forum gets clattered) and minimum (it's very unlikely that less than 4 threads are needed for the function in a forum).

As a start, I suggest to replace the "too quick pulls" and "medium specific subpages" threads with one "Introduction to Images" thread, as I drafted here

edited 14th Apr '12 3:31:00 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Bumping. Any ideas on dropping the cap for IP to 250, expand the front page to 250 as was done in TRS and merge the two stickies as described in ?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

I wholeheartedly agree.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

Re-bumping to post the draft I made in the forum sandbox (no tetchy criticism please)

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edited 21st Apr '12 3:38:59 PM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

That is good but seems pretty wordy.

Also this sentence is missing a word:

edited 18th Apr '12 3:49:50 PM by ArcadesSabboth

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.

The thread limit shouldn't be lowered too far. Besides insta-pull issues, changing an image requires that a thread be started.

something

It's not strictly speaking a "Make a thread or die" sort of thing. The idea is to drop the cap to 250 and expand the IP page to that number (it happened to TRS) so that everything can happen on one page. Admins?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Re-bumping this. The problem of the redundant stickies and of the excessive thread number still exist.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Yeah, we need to bring this to Eddie's attention, but with the current porn crisis he probably has other things on his mind.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

I support having a lower thread limit too — I know there's a lot of backlog that's probably ready to go up and hasn't, or needs a crowner hooked to it, or something like that. The one thing would be if it's possible to exempt threads whose reason is "Copyrighted" from the limit, so that they can always be created; copyrighted pictures need to come down when they're found.

That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.

That is true, but I would be interested to know how we dealt with copyrighted images when the forum was at the cap when it was originally installed. And strictly speaking, the thread is there to find replacements, which are secondary to the pull (which doesn't need an thread)

Maybe that would need an announcement on a Quick Questions thread somewhere in IP.

edited 23rd Apr '12 2:18:52 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Personally I think the limit is fine right now we just need faster conclusions to threads.

If it gets to a limit we will get a lot of people with a good idea not able to check with the masses if it is ok to put up or people with bad ideas change it without even asking.

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

Putting up an image on an image-free page is a free action. That is what I said in the posts above. And pulling an image because you can't make a thread will get an edit suspension anyway.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

I am completely indifferent to the thread limit in IP. It has never had problems of nearing the cap, not even after we lowered it to 400. On the other hand, it wouldn't be that dreadful to lower it seeing as IP threads can resolve themselves quickly.

edited 23rd Apr '12 3:09:45 AM by lu127

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer

And a lot of them just rot away on the non-front pages. That is the main issue.

The large number of stickies probably doesn't help, either.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

The problem isn't that the forum is "at limits" too often, the problem is that anything in IP that doesn't get addressed in the first few days drops off the front page, and just flounders there for months.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

Re-activating this thread. Dunno how difficult or time-consuming it is to drop the IP cap to 250 and expand the front page to accomodate all these threads, but merging the pinned threads doesn't take admin action.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Re-bumping. Can we at least reduce the number of stickies in IP?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

I… I………… don't think a lower thread cap is really necessary. If months is how long it takes to find or make a good replacement, so be it. At the same time the current thread cap makes room for threads that need more immediate attention, such as Image Macro and single-panel cartoon.

I'm not crazy, I just don't give a darn!

I'm kind of reversing what I think about this — I don't think there's a backlog problem (threads go back to the 18th of April), and Willbyr is so good about clocking stuff and all. The number of threads is fine, in my opinion.

There are five stickies, two or three of which are posted in semi-regularly. The subpages one can probably be unstickied or deleted and the info moved to the criteria thread and/or How To Pick A Good Image.

That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.

Since I am less than familiar with and trying to learn the ins and outs of wiki policy, could someone please explain the reason for clocking threads and for having a thread limit?