LGBTQ+ Rights and Religion

Lol. Well seriously, I think we need our good friend Taoist to explain this one.

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IMX, the people who can question something without any ill intent are very, very rare. Normally, the people who question something are the people who are against it. The people with genuine (if poorly timed/phrased) curiosity usually research on their own, or just go on their way with niggling little questions in the back of their head. The genuine curious types usually get themselves straightened out by their dumb questions and getting dog-piled upon ... kind of like Max does in these threads. I had my own misperceptions of Wicca corrected in such a fashion, so I can't completely rule it out as a learning method, at least when the people ganging up on you are willing to teach instead of use you just as a punching bag.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw

Ninja, it gives my universe a sense of consistency to know I can always count on you to show up with the best Stealth Insults/Honest Compliments.

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I guess. I don't see who you're getting our of it. Are you trying to convince people conservative christens aren't evil or something else?

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Depends on the region. Quebec is majority Catholic, much of the rest of the country is majority Protestant, there's much more religious diversity in the cities. Religious attendance has been dropping. It's very much a similar picture to what you see in the States. I can't tell you any more than official statistics could.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.

It's a gift.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw

This. Failing that, I'll settle for convincing people I'm not evil.

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I dont think any of us consider you evil. Deluded by misplaced idealism at times, sure. But you dont strike me as evil.

Oh, Canada didn't drag it's feet as much as we are with legalizing gay marriage though. Though there could be a number of factors in that.

Were not saying your evil. We aren't even saying homophobic people are evil, (though some are).

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edited 19th Apr '13 7:39:27 AM by Wildcard

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Being human, it goes without saying that some of them are, by virtue of some humans being evil*

unless you have some really weird definition of "evil" I think we can all agree that Phelps and other people similar to him are; depending on where you draw the line and your limits of both "conservative" and "Christian", it could also include folks like Pat Robertson or Mitt Romney

. Personally, I think Max is absolutely way over the evil line.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw

Thanks guys .

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Evil? I wouldn't go that far. I'd say the majority of our opposition is misguided and ignorant. Not exactly a good thing, but I prefer to reserve "evil" for the real villains out there.

I've seen somebody crazy say "Gay Pride parades are Christian Hate Parades because it is bragging about a Christian Sin" in that case I wonder how far he's willing to take that. Are trophies Christian hate because your not being humble enough? Are eating contest winners performing Christian hate for engaging in gluttony?

I wish Fundamentalists would stop thinking everything is about them.

edited 19th Apr '13 8:04:49 AM by Wildcard

METAL GEAR!?

Disclaimer repeated: Being an alleged Christian does not make one smart or intelligent. Or sane, even.

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I know. How do we get the Fundamentalists to stop thinking everything is about them though?

edited 19th Apr '13 7:54:54 AM by Wildcard

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You got me on that one dude.

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Ignoring them is out of the question?

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.

In some places their the majority, or the majority at least agree with most of their ideals so you can't really ignore them there.

edited 19th Apr '13 8:05:20 AM by Wildcard

METAL GEAR!?

The problem is you really cant. Theyve been brought up in a community environment that shuns thinking about the outside world as anything but sinful and to be avoided at all costs.

if theyre not willing to make the leap out of that bubble, then nobody can make it for them.

edited 19th Apr '13 8:23:49 AM by Midgetsnowman

QFT.

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It's the self-reinforcing social norms that are really dangerous.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.

heh. I'm familiar with it because as a small child I lived in such a church environment. The Seventh-Day Adventist church publishes its own magazines, its own books, has its own private schools and its own college...seriously, if you never question what you're being told, its very easy to go all the way to graduating with a bachelors degree without ever stepping out of their information bubble.

Therein lied the problem with me. I was a voracious reader of books (and later the internet) and when 90% of the data says the 10% you're getting from a church is insanely wrong..

edited 19th Apr '13 8:28:57 AM by Midgetsnowman

There's a difference between disagreeing with someone and abridging their rights.

And, you mean *gay rights activists, not homosexuals, because there are homosexuals who are anti-gay. Do remember, "homosexual" isn't an opinion.

Even when it comes to vilifying anyone who doesn't agree with oneself, it's not just gay rights activists who "get to" do this. I've also seen atheists vilify all theists will no repercussions, for example.

edited 19th Apr '13 8:42:39 AM by Haldo

‽‽‽‽ ^These are interrobangs. Love them. Learn them. Use them.

Er? Are you referring to Boomerang Bigot?

edited 19th Apr '13 8:48:30 AM by TheStarshipMaxima

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No. He means people who are in deep goddamn denial that they are gay.

At least some amount of homophobes are people who are gay themseves, refuse to admit it for one reason or anothger (usually upbringing) and therefore take it out on more openly gay people.

edited 19th Apr '13 8:50:09 AM by Midgetsnowman