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joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#26: Apr 6th 2012 at 5:18:30 AM

Yes. while there are may be reasonable political arguments for armed populace. I think we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss gun control as a option for stoping firearm related crimes on practical grounds.

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#27: Apr 6th 2012 at 5:30:33 AM

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Does owning weapons make one more likely to be a killer? Does having a McDonald's next door make one more likely to be obese?

The answer, of course, is yes. Not that everyone who owns guns will have violent urges, but those who do will give in to those urges far more quickly when the means to do so are within arm's reach.

edited 6th Apr '12 5:30:46 AM by MidnightRambler

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#28: Apr 6th 2012 at 5:37:51 AM

You may have a weapon, but do you know math?

edited 6th Apr '12 5:37:58 AM by inane242

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#29: Apr 6th 2012 at 6:06:27 AM

You don't need a gun to kill someone, though. To a crazy person a gun is just a tool, like a knife or a car or any variety of Noodle Implements.

I will say though that in a place where gun ownership is not a common cultural thing, a person with a gun is fairly likely to be a dangerous person.

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#30: Apr 6th 2012 at 6:09:12 AM

I will say though that in a place where gun ownership is not a common cultural thing, a person with a gun is fairly likely to be a dangerous person.

I agree with this. A sudden liberalisation of gun laws in the United Kingdom would be catastrophic.

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#31: Apr 6th 2012 at 7:05:40 AM

I don't think banning guns would really stop a lot of premeditated murder.

However, it might stop some crimes of passion, and a lot of I Just Shot Marvin in the Face incidents.

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#32: Apr 6th 2012 at 7:16:00 AM

Yes, it does. It doesn't automatically mean you're gonna blow somebody away, but it does suggest you know have the option whereas someone who didn't might not even go there in the first place.

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#33: Apr 6th 2012 at 10:18:08 AM

When the OP says 'weapons', what does that include?

A killer can kill with anything, including bare hands. My method of choice, for example, would be an axe or a hammer. Are you going to ban axes and hammers?

EDIT: Bat Pencil apparently doesn't go into the Highlands very often. Owning a gun out in the sticks isn't the norm, but it isn't all that rare, either. Generally speaking teuchters are not dangerous.

edited 6th Apr '12 10:21:16 AM by InverurieJones

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#34: Apr 6th 2012 at 10:44:03 AM

You just reminded me, even a pencil can be considered a weapon if it's sharp enough or if it's used the right wrong way.

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#35: Apr 6th 2012 at 12:49:17 PM

There's a reason for more deaths resulting from shooting than pencil stabbing.

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#36: Apr 6th 2012 at 12:50:48 PM

[up]Who needs pencils? The human body provides enough lethal weapons as standard fitting. I used to do Shotokan Karate back when I was a lot younger, slimmer and fitter (though still as fugly to be honest) and I was trained in many ways to kill someone. Some of which I still remember. The biggest lesson I learned though is that the primary thing you need to kill is the intent to do it.

If you don't have the intent to kill, you could be carrying a fricking Gatling Gun and use it and you would still fail.

To answer the question, no, it does not make you more likely to be a killer if you have weapons. If anything, owning them and knowing more about them would make you respect the capability that you already have.

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#37: Apr 6th 2012 at 12:54:49 PM

[up]x4 No, but when your community consists of a pub, three houses and a sheep called Morag the chances of someone being a mass murderer are much lower!

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#39: Apr 6th 2012 at 1:22:30 PM

I dunno, man, that sheep seems mighty suspicious.

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#40: Apr 6th 2012 at 1:41:39 PM

I don't think it's possible to be a mass murderer if theres not enough people for it to be "mass"...

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#41: Apr 6th 2012 at 2:00:09 PM

Regarding the OP; I say no.

If somebody decides that they're going to kill some people, they're going to go out and attempt to follow through with it; gun, knife, bomb...they're all means to an end.

When you have an individual who is dead set on taking lives, the manner of tool he uses is almost irrelevant.

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#42: Apr 6th 2012 at 2:01:34 PM

The thing is, very few people are dead set on taking lives. Most murders are acts of passion, heat-of-the-moment things. It's then that it matters whether or not you have a gun over your fireplace.

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#43: Apr 6th 2012 at 2:04:20 PM

If you're talking about a crime of passion, then that individual could just as easily grab a steak knife from the kitchen. At that point, they've already made the decision to commit harm, not it just boils down to the how.

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#44: Apr 6th 2012 at 2:05:49 PM

Your argument makes intuitive sense, but it doesn't match up with statistics. Nations with gun control tend to have dramatically fewer murders-as-crimes-of-passion.

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#45: Apr 6th 2012 at 2:06:31 PM

They don't even need a weapon. Their bare hands might be good enough if they're that enraged.

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#46: Apr 6th 2012 at 2:08:29 PM

An individual can always make the attempt, but without a weapon, an unpremeditated murder is much less likely to succeed.

Ever tried to strangle an uncooperative person?

edited 6th Apr '12 2:09:12 PM by Muramasan13

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#47: Apr 6th 2012 at 2:08:37 PM

Btw, Derrick Bird had a legal firearm so I think that owning weapons makes you more likely to murder someone. I don't think that he would have murdered as many people if he had a knife tbh.

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#48: Apr 6th 2012 at 2:23:40 PM

Bah. Derrick Bird would still have been a killer without access to firearms. Even with knives or his bare hands he would have killed at least his twin brother. When he snapped, went loopy, went postal, whatever you want to call his bloody stupidity, he had not just intent to kill but in his mind at least, reason to do it.

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#49: Apr 6th 2012 at 2:28:04 PM

I know he would have killed his brother but would he have killed the solicitor? I don't think so nor would have the emergency services have been as cautious if he was unarmed.

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joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#50: Apr 6th 2012 at 2:31:23 PM

Ever tried to strangle an uncooperative person?

Why would he strangle a cooperative one?

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