SFW-ness, the ad server, and Naughty Tentacles

I'm uncertain what the implied correlation is. I doubt the forums make people better editors.

I believe these two posts are relevant to what Best Of is saying.

Not sure where to ask this, so I'll bring it up here—are we also going to clean up the (1000+) wicks for Naughty Tentacles?

Well, they could in one sence at least: I sometimes encounter tropes I've never seen before when someone Potholes to them. So I guess one can be more immersed in the Wiki because of the forum.

Still, I don't think that forum users are more likely on average to make good edits than those who don't use the fora.

edited 6th Apr '12 9:28:18 PM by BestOf

Off from work, looking to help, but thread's kinda huge. What needs doing?

Rape tropes clean up thread. Go down the list of renamed (or tropes that didn't need to be renamed) and clean up.

Renamed what now?

We did an emergency mass rename on some of the more problematic Rape Tropes. Any that seemed to endorse it got changed.

Sorry. Many of the Rape Tropes were renamed. (And why do we have so many? O_O) We need to clean them of explicit stuff and stuff that looks like it condones rape.

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edited 23rd Jul '17 1:13:01 PM by Jicragg

Maybe I just have no sense of scope.

I believe this was the thread where the idea of adding This is a trope that occurs in fiction. This wiki neither endorses nor approves of this behavior or something like that was proposed. Now that the renames are mostly done and the process of cleaning the affected tropes has started, do we want to add this disclaimer to any trope pages?

edited 6th Apr '12 10:34:15 PM by Autumncomet

I think it would still be a good idea to add it to all the tropes involving... let's just say, sensitive topics.

Honestly, why is it that the Wiki Talk topics keep drifting into (cutting the) forums? I keep seeing it popping up. There's a thread for it, and I have things to say in response if people want to continue.

Now a question about the SWF-ness: does TV Tropes have a Terms of Use page? An official (and legal, perhaps) one. I go to other sites that run on ads and indeed do have consistent TOU, which abide by ad rules. Therefore, they do not have arbitrary and sudden ad server problems. I think this site could use one too if we don't already.

edited 6th Apr '12 11:04:18 PM by abstractematics

Agreed.

Call me a prude, but if we're having even more trouble with Google over this it may be time to simply say no to the sex tropes.

Regardless of whether they are tropes, they are hurting the site. I like this site. If it gets harmed or shut down, my favorite hangout will be lost as well. I like the trope phenomenon. It should be documented.

However, not at the cost of this website. IMO, we can't be the wild west anymore. There must be proper regulation or this will happen again and again till we lose the site. Having rules is not the same as enforcing them. There is no way to patrol this site, even with volunteers.

The mods are doing their jobs well, but I just don't think we can survive this way. This place is huge with hundreds of pages and examples. How do we keep those safe for work?

@Stract: Um. 0_0

Our job isn't to make them completely SFW. Just no actual links to anything explicit. There's a difference here. Having a sex trope is fine as long as it's neutral and kept clean. We don't want any details. We want the facts and nothing more.

All of those have content warnings where applicable. If you're going to there on work, you're doing it wrong.

Also, we're going to lose our forums before losing a lot of important tropes. They're far more important to the site as is.

edited 6th Apr '12 11:41:12 PM by Hydronix

Can't say I'd agree with you there. Sex-related things happen in media, and they're tropes like many other things.

edited 6th Apr '12 11:39:18 PM by ThatHuman

x3 @Artemis

I've read that.

Basically I think that there's conflict/confusion in terms of priority and forums keep getting mentioned. But it's annoying when they happen everywhere and I would like that discussion to be in one place.

Edit: Ninjas...

See, I can understand the trope repair debates when it's just a site matter, but when the revenues and outside source concerned, it's somewhat different. Even wikis have their standards for coping with legality. A consistent Terms of Use would be useful so we don't have to fight over this constantly.

edited 6th Apr '12 11:47:24 PM by abstractematics

Crap. It seems like every time I come back there is some sort of crisis. Maybe I should just stay away.

The Proffesor: And I'm not. If our revenue stream prevents us from fulfilling our mission, we get a new way to make money. We make cuts. We move the whole thing over to Wikia (where Fetish Fuel Wiki is doing just fine with the content we've had to delete). We do anything but let the people who want to censor the entire Internet win.

Plus I continue to point out that I know several websites that use Google Ads that have explicit content and never get in trouble. So I don't even buy that Google is actually even just doing their job. There is someone at Google who actively does not like our site, and just jumps at any chance at a report.

We followed Google's policies to the letter last time. There is no way we are actually violating anything now unless they deliberately changed their policies to fuck with their sites. Our primary goal should be to stop enabling them.

Because, if we don't, these people are just going to come back and edit in a bunch of crap when no one is looking, and file on Google again. This battle will never end unless we cut off the source.

edited 7th Apr '12 1:09:03 AM by BigT

The feeling I get is that Google AdSense does not properly proofread the complaints. Either they complain about pages the Google ads are not even supposed to be on from start or by reallowing the ads when we still have wicks to mature content (unless the clickthrough wall is specifically there to prevent direct links to mature stuff. And if that is true, a "Leave the site warning" would be an idea to consider)

This is generally why we're worried that people who do not actually read the policies, or do, but are trying to troll us so we can lose our revenue is up in suspect.

Also, it's why we're investigating what exactly happened in the first place.

Out of interest, what happens if it turns out that this was a screw up by Google and we weren't in the wrong? Do we just undo all the changes or what?

I think we can leave the Rape Tropes renames as they are. And it will take its time until we receive feedback from Google.

The renames and the decreepifying are fine as is.

All it means is that we don't have to actually cut anything at best.

I don't think the avatar thing'll change, though.

Fast Eddie did say here that we may have to be on alert, since we're riding on a risk. So whatever the outcome, we may have to consider what's going to happen with the site in the future.