Series/ Ben 10 Omniverse

It could also be that CN mandated they don't use anything non-OS, or rename/reimagine any non-OS content.

Reboots sometimes have weird/petty rules like that.

Facebook was updated with pics of Wildvine, Max and Gwen.

You know since topic is back on top, and still technically about Omniverse, I'll bring my new observations. I recently rewatched first appearance of Rad Dudesman and I noticed that teaser was actually pretty good. Without Rad or Pax it actually looked serious and could trick someone into believing this will be decent episode.

I'm starting to think that OV actually does drama better then comedy. Malware, Rooters, Vilgax-Eon story and Kundo all work pretty well. But then executive producers remind writers that they have to make stuff like Clyde Five. Which is not to say that series isn't funny, but it isnt that good at being downright wacky which it sometimes is. And then there are comic reliefs. I know Blukic and Driba can be annoying but then again look Hokestar, Solid Pugg or Pateliday. They sure look and sound funny, but I can't exactly tell whats suppose to their funny thing. At least Blukic and Driba actually have jokes.

I only watched the 1st season & some other parts like the Incursion War & the villains were done pretty well like Kyber & Malware. My problem was how Ben became a god-tier idiot & the comedy didnt exactly fit well with the serious villains being put into comedy whcih dosnt mesh well. Seriously how he broke up with Julie was so beyond messed up.

Ben didn't even know they broke up. He just assumed they were still together even though Julie never called him back and he didn't either. They meet again after weeks of not talking or seeing each other and Ben is surprised that they're not together anymore- what?

I don't think Pateliday is a comic relief. As far as I remember his first appearance was in UA(or AF, I can't recall). He's a competent Plumber who just happens to be one of Ripjaws species and dependent on water.

And as for my opinion on the new show: I have no expectations but I am mentally preparing for a huge disappointment.

Patelliday had a few appearances in Omniverse which played up the "Barney Fife but as a fish man" characterization. Although he was pretty effective when he fought, so, hrm.

I didn't hate the character, though, even though he sometimes seemed a bit obnoxious.

edited 31st Jan '16 7:36:55 AM by Etheru

I think I kinda actually prefer Wildvine's old design better. I don't hate the redesign, but Wildvine's old design just looked a lot more interesting than this new one (which actually does look kinda generic to me).

It's not a deal breaker, but I just feel like they could have done better than that. (Especially since Stinkfly's redesign looks a lot more acceptable.)

edited 31st Jan '16 7:43:37 AM by kablammin45

Not a fan of giving Wildvine actual legs instead of roots. I guess people who complained about AUF aliens being too humanoid are gonna be pissed...

As for OV doing drama better than comedy... I don't know. I personally think the Rooter story arc was poorly handled, and while I am a bit nicer to the Malware story arc, it did have some big issues...

Yeah, Patelliday was fine, he just happened to look goofy-looking for some reason.

How about the desecration of Rath at the hands of that cat-loser.

I actually I have another thought, that sounds somewhat controversial, but somehow I think it might not be. Omniverse is a bit...evil.

lets me explain. Its not just that some characters can be jerks (like Ben or Kevin) and we clearly suppose to let it go or find it charming Its just that..1) Argit gets a happy ending, despite trying to sell a baby to baby eater. 2) Ma Vreedle gets away with all her crimes and gets to be friends with Ben's mom (she can even mistreat Vreedle Brothers right in front of her and get zero comments about it, despite their motherhood being first reason they bonded) 3) Attea getting to rule empire is seen as good ending 4) We're suppose to like Skurd despite that he only betrayed Khyber for more food without even caring if Nemetrix would drive him insane. 5) Kraaho flood streets with lava and get no punishment 6) Collectimus leaves freely once he stops threatening planet despite capturing living beings. 7) Not only Chadzmuth freely continues to help criminals gets back on streets, his episode ends with Ben being forced to thank him and pay implied-to-be massive bill

Honestly, its almost as if they hated people who actually do legal jobs and work hard on them (Pakman, Bowmann and Hokestar keep failing, Ben gets doctorate before Gwen just because he's celebrity, things always work out for Blukic and Driba...)

I mean, its not super evil, but bugs me just a bit, anybody else?

That what happens when a teenager with acquired situational narcissism recreates the Universe. People with ASN aren't born that way, but acquire it. Their environment elevates them until they themselves think they're the bee's knees. So the only difference between ASN and 'ordinary' Narcissism is the late onset.

I'm just going through Hotchkiss' seven deadly sins of narcissism: Shamelessness, Magical thinking, Arrogance, Envy, Entitlement, Exploitation and Bad boundaries.

I can certainly tick arrogance off that list. For the others: I have to admit that it had been a while since I last watched Omniverse, but I am pretty sure that the only time I can recall Ben having any sense of shame of regret was the trial episode in which he 'didn't get the grape smoothy right'. Other than that I can't think of any other instance.

As for magical thinking: I really wonder if Ben truly sees himself as perfect. To be fair I also can't recall him ever admitting that he isn't able to do something. He just activates his Omnitrix and 'poof' he saved the day, again.

Was Ben also ever truly envious of another person? I recall that he was making fun of Charmcaster, which could be interpreted as contemptuous and he also joked about Billy being sent back to the robot-hell he came from. But I wonder if that's good enough to give it a tick.

I can't really say anything about entitlement, exploitation and bad boundaries. But maybe somebody who watched it more recently could help out and give examples?

I figured as much.

... Wow, now that you mention it, this show has a spectacular record of Karma Houdini.

Have they ever explained why in GODS NAME that Motherfucking Vilgax Alien Overlord Badass Supreme is afraid of that fat-ass bitch ma vreedle? WHY?! Whats so great bout that sack of worthless shit?

Attea, at least, was a "lesser of two evils" thing with the implication that they would fight again someday.

Yeah, that annoyed me too. Considering how many people complained about Vilgax's Villain Decay in Alien Force, you'd think the writers would have learnt, but nooooo! They had to put a joke about this...

Well, actually that's kinda the problem. Just for a reminder, Attea was despicted as the worst of the two evil in her introduction episode. I mean seriously, she wanted to blow up Earth for no other reason than fun, for Christ's sake. And her appearances in Omniverse did nothing to develop her into A Lighter Shade of Black; if anything, it reinforced her Sociopathic Soldier tendencies and made her appear as a Psycho for Hire to her more pragmatic father. The only thing that makes her less bad of a leader is that she now has feelings for Ben- or more accurately Bullfrag- meaning she will leave Earth alone, but the Ben 10 Universe is full of inhabited planets for the Inkurseans to attack. I guess we aren't supposed to care if she goes blow up someone else's planet because she is bored or something? She doesn't work as the Lesser of Two Evil when everything has established she is way worse than her father.

edited 2nd Feb '16 6:34:49 AM by Theokal3

Arguably, in both cases it was less "who's worse, who's better" but "as long as Earth is safe". Its less defeating Incursians, its more making them someone's else problem.

They move problem "over there", and "over there" has to stand for itself.

edited 2nd Feb '16 6:40:06 AM by Sunchet

Pretty much, yes. And considering all the episodes they did in all four series about aliens being people too, that's kinda annoying.

Thing is, generally season is about defeating villain who keeps pestering Ben and/or stopping their big evil scheme. But Incurseans didn't spend season preparing to attack Earth, they attacked Peptos XI, Vilgaxia and Revonnah. Since new management doesn't make them nicer, making them season villain was kinda pointless.

I know, and that's kinda the weakness of the Inkursean story arc as a whole: it has no real arc to speak of. The only thing that connect their episodes together is that the Inkurseans appear them; aside from that, only the last three episodes actually are connected with each other, while the other ones involving them are essentially fillers with no build up to the finale. Which is probably why them invading Earth comes out of nowhere, with only a vague excuse about Earth being a strategic major place to conquer the Galaxy (something contradicting how the planet was potrayed in every single episode before that).

True, its hard to call it any major victory. Good proof is fact that episode Rad could work as well in season 7 or 4 as well as is does in season 3. Lets be honest, Ben just happened to know that Peptos and other worlds were attacked and save them, there are plenty other that had to fend off on their own.

But, purely technically there is an arc to this. For Attea. She's the only one to get real meaningful change, any victory that sticks. in all of this; Ben, Earth and Incursean Empire are as they were. Attea is true winner and arguably true hero of arc.

Fair enough. And in a sense, this is why she is the best thing to come out of this arc.

edited 3rd Feb '16 3:13:41 PM by Theokal3

I usually get annoyed at Ben's lack of competence but I was impressed by him going undercover as Bullfraq.

Sorry, I was just kinda generalizing before.

edited 3rd Feb '16 4:46:52 PM by slimcoder

Please clarify what you mean by that.

The Ten is finally revealed. With Upgrade and Heatblast confirmed, its officially original 10 only with Cannonbolt, Wildvine and Overflow replacing Wildmutt, Ripjaws and Ghostfreak. Do you notice something about this group? All aliens have two legs and humanoid build for some reason.

And there's more: According to Man of Action, Ben 10 Live Action Movie is scheduled for 2017.

edited 6th Feb '16 7:20:46 AM by Sunchet

Interesting to see the changes they made to the original 10. Hopefully Ghostfreak returns in some capacity at some point, he's one of my favorites.

I think I'll pass on the live action movie...