Manga/Dragon Ball

As far as that type of character goes, yeah, Trunks is one of the best-handled I've seen.

I do wish more had been done with King Cold, though. Like Dabura, he seems like a character who wandered into the wrong arc, so to speak.

edited 10th Aug '15 2:03:15 PM by HamburgerTime

painfully ironic enough, the original Pretty Cure series was actually directed by Daisuke Nishio, Aka, the guy who directed the original Dragon Ball anime for its entire run, including Z.

The should have got him back for Super, since he would have at least made sure the fight animation would be consistent most of the time. Sadly, he hasn't directed anything major since the Halo Legends short Odd one out, which is oddly enough a parody of both Pretty Cure and Dragon Ball transplanted in a Halo side story setting.

See for yourself: http://youtu.be/OESmU4LYl7U

edited 10th Aug '15 2:19:43 PM by Demongodofchaos2

>saying Precure has good animation

You guys never watched Happiness Charge last year, did you?

And even Go! Princess Precure this year has reached the 'summer' episodes where the quality goes way down.

Whatever happened with DBS 5, it has nothing to do with Toei's priorities. I think it was just horribly rushed.

I'm still waiting for someone to say they did it on purpose so "it won't overtake One Piece's popularity". That sounds ridiculous, but people were saying that about SMC and Precure.

So..... why is DBS just doing Battle of Gods all over again?

Laziness, I guess. There's really no reason for them to be doing this instead of continuing where Resurrection "F" left off.

I guess they're just taking it for granted that people will watch the show no matter how little effort they put into it?

Uh, stuff like this isn't usually done because a production is lazy — it's because they're trying to buy themselves time for plotting and conceptualization, in this case the events NOT covered by the movies (everything that comes after Resurrection F).

Wait so when did Pilaf and the gang wish themselves to be kids again? because Super is 6 months after Buu right? So did they do it before Buu?

That's the kind of stuff you do well before the series starts. Unless you're doing an adaption and Overtook the Manga, if you're writing a story and don't know where you're going then you're usually in some deep shit.

Look no further than Dragon Ball itself. Toriyama had little-to-no idea as to where he was going or what he was doing and it has loads of problems. We still love it but that doesn't make it any less flawed.

I think DB flows quite well, actually.

Oh, very well. As Shark and I found out, small changes to the story will have little-to-no effect on the larger story (even if you think they would) and big changes will result in a wildly different (and perhaps much shorter) story. That doesn't stop there from being a lot of problems that might not have existed had Toriyama planned ahead more.

You've obviously never watched Shirobako, and how it pokes fun at how many scenario writers/episode directors in the industry literally write things by the seat of their pants. People who manage to get the finale done by mid-production are rare.

edited 10th Aug '15 5:54:10 PM by MyssaRei

This series is apparently known for some ridiculously long fight scenes. I'm still working through the pre-Z material, but one of the fights still managed to last three episodes. And I've been told that such is short for this series! I've heard myths and legends about a fight against Frieza that lasts ten episodes, but I can't help but imagine that's an outlier-so, on average, how long might a fight scene be expected to be?

No I have not and just because a lot of people do it doesn't make my statement any less true. In my experience, works that are planned out are a lot more cohesive than works where the author is writing by the seat of their pants. They also tend to be significantly shorter but that's not a bad thing.

edited 10th Aug '15 6:13:58 PM by Zelenal

The fights in this series are, indeed, very long.

But hell, I found them entertaining.

In Kai, the battle against Freeza technically lasts 17 episodes but there's a hell of lot going on. Goku VS Freeza lasts 12 episodes. SSJ Goku VS Freeza lasts 7.

Yes, but HOW long? Average one episode long? Two? Five?

Well, both of those seem pretty long. Are all the fights that lengthy?

edited 10th Aug '15 6:50:27 PM by SLthethird

Well, lemme go through all the major fights in English Kai.

VS Raditz: 2 episodes (really more like one, though)

VS Nappa: 3 and a bit episodes

VS Vegeta: About 4 episodes

VS Recoome: 1 and a bit episodes

VS Burter & Jeice: About 2 Episodes

VS Ginyu: 1 episode (basically)

VS Ginyu!Goku: 1 episode

VS Freeza 1st Form: 1 episode

VS Freeza 2nd Form: About 2 episodes

VS Freeza 3rd Form: Maybe 10 minutes

VS Freeza Final Form: 14 episodes

Pretty much every fight after that only lasts about an episode or so. Ignore Mr. Satan's bit, the fight against Perfect Cell takes 9 episodes.

I could go back and check, I do have the entire series on DVD... but I'm too lazy.

Assume that the fights in non-Kai are longer than that by about ~20% or so.

You know, I often want to give King Kai a hug just because of how much shit he has to put up with.

...Damn.

They never wished him back either.

Like, what the actual fuck.

So after thinking more about the whole thing about Piccolo being left behind I mentioned before, I've come to be more okay with it. What more could he have done in the Buu Saga, really? Having him be a threat to Buu or Dabura would be kind of strange, and while having him fight Puipui or Yakon might be interesting given that Yakon's PL was "only" 40,000,000 (based on the conversion rate of Kili to PL given in V-Jump) it'd be just as much of a curbstomp for him as it would for Vegeta and Goku.

@Humburger Time: I do wonder what King Cold would have done if he was revived instead of Frieza.

He probably would have heeded Sobert and Togoma's advice and left the earth alone, especially after telling him Goku defeated Buu.

@Zelenal: It's not "laziness", especially since the story is expanded in Super.

Good thing too, since they only have limited time with films. They are also able add stuff that couldn't make it to the films.

edited 10th Aug '15 7:49:10 PM by Cortez

Does being dead really matter much for King Kai though?

Literally all that's different is he has a halo over his head.