Live-Action TMNT Reboot

lol Shredatron.

Given the similar Bay aesthetic, it would only make sense as a Fan Nickname.

His name is "Shredder" why is armor covered head-to-toe in knives "inappropriate"? In his first appearance, he gets killed with no fanfare, and only went on to the 80s due to his looks. And that reminds me, is the guy in the trailer Baxter?

That's Eric Sachs, the head of the American branch of the Foot Clan in this version. He's taken the clan and modernized it into a Blackwater-style mercenary group. He's using the money from their operations to fund his dream project, a modernized, automated suit of Foot armor he calls "The Shredder".

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great

^Dunno where you got that from <_<

^^I don't think Shredder has in any incarnation looked like he is covered in knives Also, original Shredder WAS important... Its just that he was first issue villain with backstory we all know(well, okay, the original variant was that his brother Nagi was competing with Hamato Yoshi for Tang Shen and Nagi got killed by Yoshi, so he as revenge killed Yoshi and Tang Shen resulting in his pet rat Splinter wanting revenge for Yoshi after he got mutated), but he was also killed in first issue since TMNT was supposed to be parody oneshot before it become popular and comic continued. He was later brought back once since writers realized they wrote too good villain to be used only once <_< After his second appearance in mirage comic Shredder himself never got brought back to life, but foot clan continued being a thing once in while

edited 30th Jun '14 11:08:05 AM by SpookyMask

Didn't Super Shredder in TMNT 2 (Somehow) grow a shittonne of blades on his armor after getting all that Ooze on him?

That wasn't the real Shredder, that was a colony of sentient worms that took his armor and mantle.

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great

Wasn't it still mind wise copy of old Shredder?

The Shredder has been a set of power armor before as well.

Who watches the watchmen?

Yeah, didn't the 2003 cartoon (technically) do that?

Yeah, but he's incredibly silly, even when he's supposed to be scary.

Insert witty 'n clever quip here.

Like I've been saying, there are so many variations on the character and backstory of Shredder, the least of which is a Legacy Character, that so long as he is a powerful Arch-Enemy with a connection to the Turtles, a samurai inspired helmet and covered in sharp objects, you can't really go wrong. The '03 show (inspired by the comics) had the female Karai taking on the Shredder persona and it was a little odd having a female voice coming from what looked like a very masculine appearance. ^note That's why some measure of gender-based costuming design is important, not just for fanservice

And who knows, we might get an Upgrade vs. Prototype Fight comparison, where the fancier suit is more clumsy and is there to compensate for the weakness of the operator.

edited 30th Jun '14 4:47:33 PM by KJMackley

The 03 cartoon shows incidentally also proves that the Shredder can be anything. Since in that show he was: an alien inside a robot usit, an ancient demon of unspeakable power, a human sorcerer with demonic powers and a woman.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

Hell, in the Image comics, Raphael became the Shredder.

At this point, it's probably safe to say that in the grand scheme of things, "The Shredder" is less a specific character and more a concept and persona.

Funnily enough, the 87 series of all things had the most consistent take on the character.

^I guess we aren't counting comics here? '

Actually, wait no, that makes no sense. Only series with multiple Shredders are mirage comic and 2003 show that was partly based on mirage comic, though they did that differently.

edited 1st Jul '14 8:24:28 AM by SpookyMask

Also, the Image comics. The movies', Archie's, Nick's and IDW's, fom what I know, have had a single Shredder each, but none of them has held as long as the 1987 one.

How long is that anyway? And doesn't he stop appearing in last seasons?

Longer than pretty much all other incarnations. And he only was Put on a Bus in the two final seasons, and even then, he made occasional returns.

Here's some trivia about the original movies, since there's no news right now:

Jim Henson was NOT happy with the final result of his work for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles; being a man of peace, he didn't appreciate the irony of his talents being used in a film where violence solves every problem. As such, when Secret of the Ooze was released with a dedication to Henson, his family tried to get the dedication removed from the film.

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great

Maybe he should have checked what the franchise was about BEFORE agreeing to work on it.

He was a little busy in the 80's, doing movies and TV constantly, working off a bit of a blue period and all that. He just saw the challenge of bringing such non-human critters to life.

Are you saying it's Jim's own fault he didn't like what the movie did with his Turtle suits?

edited 14th Jul '14 12:32:25 PM by maxwellelvis

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great

I never mentioned anything about the suits, but your original post talked about the franchise's violence level, which is something only five or ten minutes flipping through the original books could teach you. The 1987 animated series, to be fair, was far tamer about it, but I'm not sure Henson would have been okay with that level of cartoony violence either. My gut instinct is to say yes, since that series was rather toothless in that regard, but who knows.

Jim LOVED cartoon violence, five minutes of the Muppet Show should tell you that. He just wasn't a fan of punching, kicking, slashing and stabbing when it's the only thing that solves all the problems, like in the movie.

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great

They're ninjas. When has diplomacy ever been a Ninja weapon?