MLP: FiM Subpages Cleanup:

I'll have to brush up on Parental Bonus then. What about the bit with the Spiked punch in OWTEW? And has a concensus been reached about the drunk ponies/lampshade-wearing?

The Spike-thing's iffy. It in my opinion is too blatant to be called getting crap past the radar, what with the fact that it's a punch-line in a joke, and makes no sense otherwise. (also, even if kids don't quite get the joke, they're smart enough to gather that spiking means putting something in the punch.)

I'd actually recommend putting The Big Lebowski ponies back up, not because "ohnoes they mentioned a movie for adults", but because one of the characters that gets ponified is a pedophile, and I'm pretty sure the execs wouldn't have let that through if they had been aware of it.

I feel like that is reading too deep into it, we don't see that character do any sort of pedo thing. Adding a look-a-like of a fictional character just for background cameo and parental bonus purposes that happens to be pedophile but doesn't have references to that, not even as subtext, is not getting crap past the radar.

edited 30th Mar '12 2:28:24 PM by Elbruno

Is this something the Trope Repair Shop really needs to be brought in on? If a page needs to be cleaned up, don't start a panel discussion about cleaning it up. Just clean it up. This set of pages doesn't need to have a major overhaul, it just needs someone to walk behind the slobbering fanboys with a mop.

The problem is that we can't agree on what needs to be cleaned up. We still apparently haven't reached a consensus on whether drunk characters should be included on the radar page, even though we have Word of God saying that stuff is not allowed.

I don't think it matters how blatant an example is. Sometimes the goal is to be as blatant as possible while still getting through. Case in point, Animaniacs. It's like a game creators play with the radar.

I also support putting The Big Lebowski ponies back up. Hasbro is very protective of their brand image. There is no way they would knowingly let a pedophile make it onto the show, and the creators managed to get one through. We're not reading too much into it. Whether he's doing anything objectionable or not, he's unmistakably intended to resemble a character that Hasbro would not want associated with their brand.

I cleared up a lot of the Natter and hyperbole on the Tear Jerker page. Not sure if I went overboard or not.

Not at all. It's the ones who throw any slightly sentimental moment they can think of in there who are going overboard.

but sometimes people can slip past the radar things that the higher-ups wouldn't approve of.

edited 5th Apr '12 6:19:20 PM by HiddenFacedMatt

Doesn't that just argue in favor of The Big Lebowski ponies being an example?

It argues in favour of "may or may not be an example." However, I think the connection is too vague, and the odds of it being coincidental too high, to belong on the list.

Stuff like this, on the other hand, might be worth mentioning, seeing as how the animators kind of drew that frame by frame, and may quite likely have noticed what it looked like. Even then, any mention of such ambiguous moments should be accompanied by acknowledgement that we aren't sure.

Damn! How did that get past my radar? [/sidecomment]

I agree with your point.

I would err on the side of including ambiguous examples like that just because this show's standards are known to be so strict. When a show's standards are this strict, anything that seems like it could be radar material probably is. On another show it might be a different story, but this is a show that has faced censorship both during production and occasionally on TV airings.

If we allow examples we're not sure about, we may occasionally be wrong and include things that really are okay. If we refuse to allow examples we're not sure about, we may occasionally be wrong and leave out things that really aren't okay. I would prefer the former than the latter because again, when a show's standards are this strict, the odds of an ambiguous example being radar material are pretty good.

edited 7th Apr '12 8:22:23 PM by Fnu

So would some of the cut stuff be under "What do mean it's for kids" instead?

It's only {{What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?}} if the show's on censors are okay with it. It's the same thing with Parental Bonus. Getting Crap Past the Radar covers things that the censors are not okay with but somehow get through anyway. It's a kind of rebellion against Executive Meddling. The executives say "don't do this" and the crew stealthily does it anyway.

It's important to note, this trope is not about being offensive. This trope is about being rebellious. It's about writers and animators defying the restrictions that have been placed on them. Some of the cut examples ought to be put back on the radar page, as they are examples of the crew defying the restrictions that have been placed on the show. The page definitely needed some cleaning up, but it went too far. There's a fine line between trimming a page and wacking it with a chainsaw.

edited 9th Apr '12 6:51:47 AM by Fnu

I'll, admit, the starting post made some great points on what I had been feeling when browsing these trope pages. In my opinion, these people seem to overreact just to put stuff on the tabbed crowning pages. ESPECIALLY in the Accidental Nightmare Fuel page (where it gets to the point where I think people are actually being SERIOUS about what they list here and just wanna smack them) and the Tear Jerker Page (where I find that most of the examples don't even fit. And I have a lot of Empathy, as guy being diagnosed with Asperger's can tell you.).

Back to the Nightmare Fuel issue, I just realized that all pages for Accidental Nightmare Fuel, including the one for MLP: Fi M, are no more. I think we should move the parts that are meant to be scary to the show's High Octane Nightmare Fuel page if we are going to unlock it. Even though most of the show's moments that are supposed to be scary are Defanged Horrors, in the end, Defanged Horrors are basically High Octane Nightmare Fuel that's made to be family-friendly.

I would just move all of the Nightmare Fuel stuff to the YMMV page. It should be safe there, as long as they don't nuke YMMV pages. You never know anymore.

edited 10th Apr '12 2:32:41 PM by Fnu

and: You want the TRS thread before doing anything.

On the topic of clean-up I'm wondering if something should be done about the Memetic Mutation page. I'm not well enough versed in the fandom to be a completely accurate judge, but looking at some of the memes listed seems to point to the page having the same problem the Ensemble Dark Horse page had; an episode will air and a meme will start up and be listed, only to die down in popularity in a few days and be near entirely forgotten. There are obviously good examples like Sitting Lyra, Scootachicken and 'X is now 20% cooler', but a lot of them seem to lack the popularity one would expect for a meme.

Yeah, I'll go through and chop out a few of those, just keeping the real popular ones.

EDIT: Crap don't have time at the moment. Might try to go through it later if nobody else does it.

edited 13th Apr '12 4:03:41 PM by JapaneseTeeth

The same thing seems to happening to the background pony page in the character pages. It is listing characters that have next to no "presence" (barely any fanart, no real memes attached to them, nothing that really makes them stand out apart from being reused in background scenes etc). The offically named ones are fine since it prevents them from clogging up the minor character pages, but some of the ones listed under the common mares only seem to have one or two tropes attached to them and only a fan nickname, but have a gigantic gif.

Dangit, I thought we just got done cleaning the background pony page. Or was that the Ensemble Dark Horse page?

Yeps, you are talking about the Ensemble Dark Horse page there.

Excuse me, I was wondering what happened to Accidental Nightmare Fuel? I can understand cleaning it up, but deleting it completely?

All NF/ANF pages are gone. So many failed attempts and many people who wanted to have them never helped to keep them clean, so a few days ago, they were cut by fiat.

They won't come back.