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selltown88 Since: Oct, 2010
#251: Feb 23rd 2013 at 12:54:25 PM

[up][up] I wonder if Gregson and Bell were actually alright with having Watson help out with the deducing. She has already proven to the both of them that she could help solve the case and they basically view her as an extension of Sherlock, or as Rhys called her, "Sherlock's better half." Secretly they may be hoping that Watson DOES get better in her deducing in case Sherlock loses it again and they may be able to use Watson's services.

edited 23rd Feb '13 12:55:24 PM by selltown88

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#252: Feb 23rd 2013 at 8:31:14 PM

[up] She does seem like she'd be much more dependable.

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Medicus Sierra 117 from Australia Since: Sep, 2009
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#253: Mar 6th 2013 at 3:15:30 PM

I thought I would hate this, but I'm enjoying it a lot more than Sherlock.

It's not over. Not yet.
joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#254: Mar 6th 2013 at 3:54:04 PM

I admit that elementary is not the best detective show on TV (that being psych) but it's well worth watching.

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Dream_Huntress Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#255: Apr 9th 2013 at 6:40:19 PM

So an ACD canon character has been announced as casted.

edited 9th Apr '13 6:40:38 PM by Dream_Huntress

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#256: Apr 9th 2013 at 6:54:57 PM

Oo Oh this should be fun.

I am still waiting for Moriarty, though.

edited 9th Apr '13 6:55:16 PM by Gaon

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#257: Apr 9th 2013 at 7:25:09 PM

I hope it's a Baskerville.

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Medicus Sierra 117 from Australia Since: Sep, 2009
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#258: Apr 10th 2013 at 12:42:39 AM

I thought The Woman was dead.

Hmm. Seems it must be in flashback, as

"Sherlock's first and only love in London. Her mysterious murder by the hands of Moriarty caused his downward spiral into drug addiction."
Pfff. Moriarty being Holmes's antithesis isn't enough? The consulting criminal versus the consulting detective?

Irene Adler is perhaps the most pivotal relationship in Sherlock's life
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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#259: Apr 10th 2013 at 4:06:16 PM

Wait, Moriaty was never a consulting criminal [except in BBC's Sherlock].

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joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#260: Apr 10th 2013 at 11:11:28 PM

[up]Great now BBC has grounds to sue themsad

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Dream_Huntress Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#261: Apr 10th 2013 at 11:24:20 PM

[up]Elementary has yet to define with kind of criminal is Moriarty, heck, we still don't know if he is a he (though it probably will be).

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Medicus Sierra 117 from Australia Since: Sep, 2009
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#262: Apr 11th 2013 at 1:20:47 AM

Wait, Moriaty was never a consulting criminal
No, he was. Read The Final Problem if you don't believe me.

Edit: On second thought, I may be wrong. But it was the impression I got.

edited 11th Apr '13 1:25:04 AM by Medicus

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Yuanchosaan antic disposition from Australia Since: Jan, 2010
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#263: Apr 11th 2013 at 1:51:43 AM

He wasn't given the title "consulting criminal", but from the text:

He is the Napoleon of crime, Watson. He is the organizer of half that is evil and of nearly all that is undetected in this great city. He is a genius, a philosopher, an abstract thinker. He has a brain of the first order. He sits motionless, like a spider in the centre of its web, but that web has a thousand radiations, and he knows well every quiver of each of them. He does little himself. He only plans. But his agents are numerous and splendidly organized. Is there a crime to be done, a paper to be abstracted, we will say, a house to be rifled, a man to be removed — the word is passed to the professor, the matter is organized and carried out. The agent may be caught. In that case money is found for his bail or his detence. But the central power which uses the agent is never caught — never so much as suspected. This was the organization which I deduced, Watson, and which I devoted my whole energy to exposing and breaking up.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#264: Apr 11th 2013 at 2:40:48 PM

That's the thing: I did read The Final Problem, and I never got the impression Moriarty was a consulting criminal, his description [as quoted above] is pretty much a textbook one of a Diabolical Mastermind ["Like a spider at the center of his web.."]

In other words, he works for no one but himself. The idea of him being a consulting criminal is fairly creative, but he was never one in the original story.

In any case, he doesn't seem to be a consulting criminal in Elementary, either way.

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Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#265: May 3rd 2013 at 6:12:43 AM

I hope that was one of Moriarty's agents on the phone, because that didn't sound like Hugh Laurie or Benedict Cumberbatch at all.

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kalel94 Rascal King from Dragonstone Since: Feb, 2011
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#266: May 3rd 2013 at 7:28:33 AM

I thought they made it clear in Valley of Fear that Moriarty's job was to "arrange" these crimes, but it's been a couple years since I read it.

Anyway, fuck making Irene Adler his love interest YET AGAIN!

EDIT: Text from VALL

"the organizer of every deviltry, the controlling brain of the underworld, a brain which might have made or marred the destiny of nations — that's the man!"

Take it any way you want, I guess.

edited 3rd May '13 7:33:43 AM by kalel94

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#267: May 6th 2013 at 2:50:07 PM

Again, that's a fairly standard Diabolical Mastermind description [no surprise since Moriarty basically created that Trope alongside Fu manchu], a man who runs of the criminal world.

On the episode I really like Moriarty's ridicuously complex thugs and plots, the guy murdering a man with a well-timed air conditioner was just beautiful. Moriarty at its finest [in fact, if I well recall, an agent of Moriarty tries to kill Holmes in a similar way in The Final Problem]

I don't like how they wasted Moran though, he was one of the characters I liked the most. The scene where he murders one of the guards randomly then shouts "It's too late boys!" with a murderous glee is pretty awesome. Ultimately, I felt sorry for him, killing himself for his sister ["..Bring back the Arsenal to me.."].

[up][up] If this very site is to believed, that's an actor called Adam Godley, who seems to be a fairly good match for the Professor. Not as good as Jared "The Best Moriarty there will ever be" Harris, but good.

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Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#268: May 16th 2013 at 8:44:11 PM

I suppose that was one way to handle the Foe Yay.

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Sisi Sisi from Toronto Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#269: May 17th 2013 at 7:32:27 AM

I liked it actually. It was a very good twist, not something I've seen done before, and a great nod to Adler's original characterization. She was - and is so here- a criminal clever enough to outwit Sherlock. I adore Laura Pulver's Irene, but this one's characterization is just incredible IMO.

I'm guessing she'll break out of prison and resume her position as arch nemesis. I look forward to it.

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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#270: May 17th 2013 at 9:37:59 AM

[up][up][up][up] This comment is hilarious now. Really.

Sisi Sisi from Toronto Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#271: May 17th 2013 at 12:06:59 PM

...umm? Is that meant as an insult or compliment?

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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#272: May 17th 2013 at 12:12:45 PM

Neither. It's just that you can't judge something before you've seen the end of it.

Sisi Sisi from Toronto Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#273: May 17th 2013 at 2:21:01 PM

But I did see it. Or are you referring to the guy above me? Maybe we're in different time zones?

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#274: May 17th 2013 at 7:16:29 PM

Just watched my recorded Heroine now.

Whelp.

I actually kinda considered the "Irene is actually a bad guy" thing at the end of the last episode since it seemed too convenient for Sherlock just get his girl back and shake the status quo drastically, but I thought the present-day Irene was a body double or something rather than the one from Sherlock's past, especially given the difference in her birthmarks. Wasn't expecting her to be Moriarty.

So, what's next for our blunt British beekeeping bloodhound?

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CharlestonMan Since: Mar, 2013
#275: May 17th 2013 at 10:00:35 PM

Irene is Moriarty = BEST. TWIST. EVER. Seriously, who could've seen that coming!?


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