Renaming (alt titles 4/14): Princess Curls

Calling crowner in favor of redefining Princess Curls to be about the anime-specific trope indicating The Ojou and creating a supertrope. Would an anime fan like to sandbox that?

Hooking up crowner about renaming Princess Curls.

Will go bump the YKTTW so we can get that launched.

edited 31st Mar '12 6:56:41 AM by ccoa

What would we rename it to though?

The only thing I can think of is Ojou Curls but the Rename for Noblewoman's Laugh to Ojou Laugh failed (sorta someone locked it when it was at +1.70)

Theme naming these two tropes to Ojou Curls and Ojou Laugh would be the best for clarification and accuracy with The Ojou because that is what these are.

edited 31st Mar '12 7:18:59 AM by Raso

We are allowed to have a Japanese name if the trope is a Japanese media trope, so I'd support Ojou Curls.

I also support Oujo Curls and Eddie should probably be P Med to reopen the other crowner.

Is this just about the character, or the form of the curls as well?

The form of the curls used to indicate a type of character. Essentially a form of Expository Hairstyle.

I mean is this still being limited to the curls being around where the sideburns are?

There must be curls "where the sideburns are". There can be curls anywhere else, too.

You can have them anywhere (which would be the supertrope) but they gotta be on the side of your face to be in this trope only these carry the meaning of The Ojou.

edited 31st Mar '12 6:46:59 PM by Raso

The character also has to be The Ojou. Just having the curls, even if they're in the right place, isn't the trope.

So the trope name needs to indicate both the character and the placement.

edited 31st Mar '12 7:23:20 PM by DragonQuestZ

Calling crowner in favor of a rename.

What are our options for an alt name?

Ojuo Curls? Ojou Side Drills?

edited 8th Apr '12 2:29:11 PM by ccoa

Well disagree with "Oujo" that means something completely different than The Ojou. Oujo means more literal Imperial Princess.

edited 8th Apr '12 2:28:37 PM by Raso

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It's just a typo, Raso.

edited 8th Apr '12 2:28:53 PM by ccoa

• "Oujo" means literal Princess, Imperial Princess, Queens etc / female Royalty.
• "Ojou" is a formal "young lady" used to refer to well all types of The Ojou and those are the characters who wear these.

One would be a redirect I think but Ojou should have the main title. (as a literal Princess can wear these but not restricted to that)

EDIT: .... oh.

edited 8th Apr '12 2:34:03 PM by Raso

I would expect lots of English speakers to confuse Ojou for Oujo, so I would prefer a trope name including neither word.

Oujo is just literal princess fitting the title of the trope but they are not the ones who wear it Ojous do but all Oujo's are Ojous. The page image is an actual princess.

An Ojou-sama is a big deal and this trope (or Hime Cut, actual name translates to "Princess Cut" although that gets used by Yamato Nadeshiko far more than this.) along with Ojou Laugh are major stereotypical characterizations of them. Someone attempts to cosplay as one they will get these two asap. (giving the page Ojou and the redirect Oujo is very much preferred.)

Even works that remove almost all Honorifics keep Ojou-sama (100% serious.) (Unlike Ouji-sama which can get the "Young Master" treatment.)

edited 8th Apr '12 3:02:33 PM by Raso

Question: What are we defining "curls" as here? It seems that nobody here is making a distinction between what real life calls "curly hair"◊ and the twisting spiral style that is what this trope uses AFAIK◊.

edited 13th Apr '12 2:31:11 PM by MarqFJA

Princess Curls requires separate and defined curls, usually of the corkscrew or "drill hair" type. The supertrope usually also involves very defined curls. The Real Life image you linked looks more like just wavy hair.

They're usually called ringlets in English.

Common usage for this is Drill Hair.

Well, I got that image from shimaspawn's post here, where she described it using the word "curly". Also, according to Google search, "curly hair" is broader than what the trope thinks it means.

edited 13th Apr '12 3:46:11 PM by MarqFJA

The trope is not "curly hair". The Princess Curls page as written specifies "two curled locks of hair draping the sides of her face". They're a specific type of curls; not all curls fit the trope.

Well anyway based on the whole Ringlets thing....

Ojou Ringlets?