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Media namespaces -- a battery of questions:

This is the sticky thread for questions related to the namespacing of works. As in, "which is the right namespace for this work?"

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edited 22nd Jul '13 6:47:29 AM by Willbyr

 51 Septimus Heap, Sat, 10th Mar '12 1:42:12 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Good point. In this case, actors&authors&directors would fall under /Creator/ (since the're involved in the creative process) and other people would fall under /UsefulNotes/.

And what about Public Domain Characters? Do they go under /UsefulNotes/ or /Main/ since they're used like tropes?

Creator/ could also include developers and producers, like Mutant Enemy and Jagex Games Studio.

Historical Domain Characters are usually a mix between Useful Notes and tropes. I am inclined to rule that the Useful Notes aspect should take precedence, since as a trope there's a good possibility they'd be People Sit on Chairs. And then if they end up gathering lots of examples, we should start looking for subtropes to split.

edited 10th Mar '12 2:03:34 AM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
I'm not inclined to put actors under creator/, since they don't create said work - they're more like part of the process. Same with singers/bands that don't write their own music.

Maybe I'm just being too picky.

[up]This brings up an obvious problem: many creators are also actors. There's even a trope about how this line tends to get blurred.

I'm seeing more and more composers moved to the Music/ namespace. This seems wrong to me, as most of them aren't performers.

edited 10th Mar '12 7:59:39 AM by Prfnoff

 55 Septimus Heap, Sat, 10th Mar '12 8:03:31 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Actors are involved in creating a work, sorta. Hence, I want to have 'em into /Creators/.

Yeah, I guess it's a pretty big grey area. I don't like it, but I can't think of an alternative.

Creator/ is pretty good. I was about to ask about companies and the like, because Nintendo (for example) doesn't really "fit" under People/ (or person/). Well, it would but it would just seem weird.

 57 Ghilz, Sat, 10th Mar '12 9:21:23 AM from The Moon. Or Canada. Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Fight It Out!
So have we every figured out where Fan Films go? Been wanting to make a page for months and still have yet to hear a decent answer on that one.
 58 Septimus Heap, Sat, 10th Mar '12 9:39:48 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I'd say /Film/, since Fangames go into /VideoGames/ too and /FanFic/ seems to be an exception (it would often fall under /WebOriginal/, as they are rarely published as books, but we have /Webcomic/ and Web Original seems to need a split in various categories)

Fangames and Fan Films don't get "officially" published either (not that I'm disagreeing with you).

Are we treating Stop Motion as animation or live-action? Technically a type of animation.

edited 10th Mar '12 10:36:59 AM by Jicragg

 60 Martello, Sat, 10th Mar '12 10:38:36 AM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
How about Publisher/ and Studio/?

That would cover Nintendo, MGM, Paramount, Infinity Ward, Image, DC, Marvel, Sledgehammer Games, Virgin Records, and so on.
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 61 Septimus Heap, Sat, 10th Mar '12 10:43:09 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I prefer to have them together in /Creator/, since even an actor is involved in the creation of a work.

I'd support a Creator/ namespace.

Do we have anything definitive on where abridged series go? I've seen them both in WebOriginal/ and FanFic/. Or maybe we should wait until Web Original gets that split it needs badly...

Stop Motion should be animation, but the animation is under going splitting into namespaces in another thread. tongue
[up] But should abridged series be under "original" at all? They are fan works.

I won't be able to move all of the Stop Motion stuff around but at least now I can start on the western ones.

Thing is, most abridged series are really Gag Dubs than just plain out fan works. If we ever get a fan work name space though, I wouldn't be opposed to putting them there.
Do we have anything that works for audio dramas in the drama cd form? They aren't radio.
 
[up][up] In a similar vein: Let's Play, which is certainly more on the Web Original side than Fan Work (though it's in both indexes).

 67 Fighteer, Mon, 12th Mar '12 12:01:02 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
I wanted to have it split as People/ and Company/, because the line between an actor and an author blurs quite a bit.

Let's Play goes in Web Original unless we create a more specific namespace for it.

edited 12th Mar '12 12:01:22 PM by Fighteer

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 68 Septimus Heap, Mon, 12th Mar '12 12:05:49 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I didn't think of a /People/ and /Company/ split - might be a good idea really.

I think that Web Original is as for now the holding ground for anything web-related that isn't webcomics. I support splitting it up in more namespaces.

I don't see the need to have two separate namespaces for people and companies. They're both creators. From the perspective of our mission, there's no functional difference. And having the namespace line up with the page type makes it clear that they're not works or tropes.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
 70 Fighteer, Mon, 12th Mar '12 12:17:20 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
The issue is that you're leaving off people who are not creators. Plus, a person and a business have fundamentally different tropes.

edited 12th Mar '12 12:17:43 PM by Fighteer

Ironically, the pursuit of the definition of happiness does not appear to be a happiness-maximizing behavior.
 71 Septimus Heap, Mon, 12th Mar '12 12:18:41 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Yeah, we would have to classify actors, editors, all the "parastory people" as creators as well. And Historical Domain Characters as tropes (unless they already are)

If they're not creators, they should be Useful Notes.

Historical Domain Characters are tropes if they're tropes and Useful Notes if they're Useful Notes.

Actors and editors are creators. Why wouldn't they be creators? A lot of people contribute to the creation of a work.

edited 12th Mar '12 12:20:34 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
 73 Septimus Heap, Mon, 12th Mar '12 12:22:15 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Definitively support people and entities like businesses to be /Creators/ when they are all involved in creation of stories. This would also help us defining what we are not about.

[up][up]Because actors and singers are just part of how a piece gets made. They're like paper in a book usually. Yes, some are improvisers or write parts of the work themselves, but not all do. A lot of bands are just singers who can't play instruments and write none of what they sing. You can replace these guys and it wouldn't change whatever was created, like printing a book on another piece of paper. Like I said, that isn't for all of them but if we do it case by case, it would take far too long.

I'm not against lobbing them all in creator/ per say, I'm just throwing the argument out there.

edited 12th Mar '12 4:13:17 PM by Jicragg

 75 Septimus Heap, Mon, 12th Mar '12 4:13:44 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
A paper is passive in creation. People aren't. If anything, that argument would go about cameras.

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