This is the sticky thread for questions related to the namespacing of works. As in, "which is the right namespace for this work?"
Ideally, questions already answered are covered on the Namespace Map. If you know a namespacing issue has already been resolved, but it is not yet documented on the Map, please update the Map.
If you want to suggest a new namespace, don't post here, but in Suggesting New Namespaces
instead.
For easier reference, I've numbered my questions:
- #1: Where do animated films go? They seem to be distributed rather inconsistenly over Film/ (Puss In Boots, Whats Opera Doc), WesternAnimation/ (Disneys Anne Frank, Snow White), Anime/ (Princess Mononoke) and Disney/ (Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Der Fuehrers Face).
- #2: There are a few songs which have their own pages ("Pirate Jenny"). Where do they go – to Music/ or to Literature/ ?
- #3: Where do composers go – to Music/ , or are they to be treated like other creators, which hitherto stay on Main/ ?
- #4: Where do Talk Shows, Game Shows and News Broadcasts go? I guess you could call these formats Live-Action TV but they're not really "TV series", as in Series/.
- #5: Am I right in assuming that Puppet Shows go to Series/ ?
- #6: What about “hybrid shows”, i.e. segment shows that incorporate both live action and animation? (e.g. Die Sendung Mit Der Maus)
- #7: Where to put picture books? I am thinking of books like Der Struwwelpeter and Max and Moritz — books that are really not complete without their illustrations. They are not (yet) ComicBook/s, but to sort them under Literature/ feels a little unsatisfactory too.
- #8: The rule is to put works into the namespace of their original medium. However, once in a while there is a work which is little known in its original medium, and almost exclusively known by its adaptation. I’m thinking of Das Boot, for example: there's a novel, but it is almost exclusively known by the Petersen movie.
- #9: Should One Book Authors who are invariably tied to a single work be treated as a creator or a work page rather?— Currently, we have Samuel Pepys and Herodotus, but shouldn't these pages be at Literature/The Diary of Samuel Pepys and Literature/The Histories rather?
- #10: There are cases where I’m unsure whether to use the English or the original title. Is there are hard rule that determines whether Der Ring Des Nibelungen goes to Theatre/Der Ring des Nibelungen or Theatre/The Ring of the Nibelung? Even Wikipedia uses the original title.
I'd be grateful for input.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Nov 9th 2023 at 8:15:08 PM
Done! Thanks.
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Why was The Joker moved to the SelfDemonstrating/ namespace? That's not a medium namespace.
Because it's not about the medium, but about the character's habits?
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What is that supposed to mean? Why was it and its 1000+ wicks placed there rather than ComicBook/?
Probably because someone in the discussion that took place in Ask The Tropers misunderstood the proper course of action for self demonstrating pagesnote and thought that the primary page was supposed to be the SelfDemonstrating/ page.
Ok, this Self-Demonstrating/ business is getting a bit out of hand. Was Doctor Doom supposed to always be like that?
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Somewhere along the line, it apparently became the thing for pages about specific characters to be written in the voice of the character. (See also The Joker, Lex Luthor, etc.)
I never saw the point, myself, but then I never really saw the point of the pages in the first place.
Laura
I'm creating a works page for Puzzle Clubhouse and just wanted to check... Web Original, right? It's a series of web games/animation tied together by an episodic storyline, and each episode is created with lots of input from the community.
No, that would go in Web Games, I'd say. Web Original was scrapped.
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Laura
Got it. Thanks! 
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Audio-only sketch comedy (or drama for that matter, though I don't have any examples of the latter) released on vinyl and/or CD. Cheech And Chong got their start this way, and Firesign Theatre is still best known for their sketch albums. (They technically started in Radio, parodying old-timey radio on a local LA station, but once they got a record deal, they never looked back.)
Note that I'm not asking about creators here. I was thinking of making a page for the Firesign Theatre's I Think We're All Bozos On This Bus, which is a nearly hour-long comedy/science fiction story that was nominated for a Hugo Award in the early seventies.
eta: I thought we had a Comedy/ namespace, to cover things like stand-up comedy, and maybe even sketch shows, and I was planning to use that until I discovered that it only existed in my imagination.
edited 22nd Sep '12 4:35:24 PM by Xtifr
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Should Chekovs Gun be moved to Just for Fun or is the namespace part of the joke? The answer in TRS was ambiguous.
In uffish thought
I reckon it's part of the joke and shouldn't be changed. The page type is already "fun". I will correct all the accidental wicks tomorrow.
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
World's Toughest Milkman
Still hoping for namespace suggestions for audio-only works that don't involve either Music/, Radio/, or Web-anything/. It's not a huge category, but big enough that I don't think we can or should ignore it. Maybe Audio/?
edited 26th Sep '12 3:15:10 PM by Xtifr
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^Can you provide an example? It's hard for me to imagine one.
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AudioPlay/ was approved a few pages back if that helps.
Drop-Dead Cynical
The folks in the Echo Chamber ARG thread were wondering if there was a good namespace to put a page about an ARG.
World's Toughest Milkman
I mentioned a few examples in post 337. I could list a lot more. Basically, audio-only storytelling didn't actually disappear between the death of radio shows in the 1950s and the rise of the web in the 1990s. There were quite a number of people making and releasing non-musical albums on vinyl (and later CD) that told stories, during that era. Cheech And Chong, The Firesign Theatre, Stan Freberg, and many others released works we have no namespace for.
The specific one I wanted to make a page for has a page on The Other Wiki: here.
"This album, like its predecessor Don't Crush That Dwarf, Hand Me the Pliers, is one complete narrative that covers both sides of one LP."
Like I say, something like Audio/ might work, but I want to get some sort of consensus before I run off to forge new namespaces. I originally thought of "Album/", but that seemed too generic. (Not that Audio/ isn't generic; I just haven't thought of anything better.)
Ah, yes, it was at least discussed here. Eddie seemed to think Audio Play/ was the right name, but that doesn't seem to have been formally approved anywhere. It's not on any of the lists, and no examples exist.
Someone mentioned a different thread for getting new namespaces approved? Does anyone know what thread he might have been talking about?
edited 27th Sep '12 8:47:31 PM by Xtifr
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^There is such a thread, but I am afraid that you'll need a special one to get attention.
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It's super effective.
Do films made entirely in motion capture go in the Western Animation namespace?
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
This doesn't seem to have been brought up yet from what I can tell (apologies if it has been), but is Webcomics about media per se (i.e., a work with words and pictures juxtaposed that happens to have debuted on the Web), or format (including various attributes shared by most things people identify as Webcomics, like "installments are one page at a time," they're implicitly serial on a weekly or shorter basis, etc.)?
As digital comics (delivered via Comixology and similar means) have taken off, a related semi-recent development is comics that have the form of traditional comic books (stories broken into "issues" of 24 pages or thereabouts, in a format suitable for print)... but which happen to be released as "digital-first" and perhaps digital-only.
For instance, DC Comics has some "Digital First" comics (Ame Comi Girls is one example) where they come out on digital several months before they're released in print. And companies like Monkeybrain make traditionally-formatted comic books that may eventually make it into print, and are generally created with that in mind, but they currently exist only in digital.
By a technical definition, I suppose these examples would be Web Comics, but "in spirit" they seem better described as Comic Books.
Opinions?
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Lost in Space
It's really about where people will think to look first. If they are using the format of traditional comic books, but published online, I'd say it's fine to keep them in the Comic Book namespace. Just my 2 cents.
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/DarthWiki/ or /RolePlay/
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Soft Split the YMMV page.
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