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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#12301: Aug 26th 2014 at 9:23:21 AM

It would be so far removed from the Nasuverse roots as to be practically unrecognizable.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#12302: Aug 26th 2014 at 9:52:45 AM

Yeah. I'm thinking I tried to do a Gash Bell / Nasu Verse crossover when really, it probably doesn't need the Nasu Verse part at all.

......hmmmm...

That's actually not so bad an idea now that I think about it.

edited 26th Aug '14 9:53:11 AM by HandsomeRob

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SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#12304: Aug 28th 2014 at 12:41:54 AM

... Why is there a pineapple behind him?

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
KnightofLsama Since: Sep, 2010
#12305: Aug 28th 2014 at 1:00:06 AM

[up] Because Pineapple Arms was one of Gaim's forms. It was in fact the first after the base Orange Arms form if I remember correctly.

Apart from the bow and arrow, all those weapons are in fact fruit based (for a very loose definition of fruit).

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#12306: Aug 28th 2014 at 1:11:48 AM

I would say 'that sounds kinda dumb', but my favorite series had all of the characters' names being puns of some sort of food, underwear or other silly stuff. And it somehow led to Super Saiyan Hitler becoming a thing that exists. So I can't even say that.

Shit, I even think it's kinda cool in an odd way.

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dnc Troll Logician Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Troll Logician
#12307: Aug 28th 2014 at 3:51:41 AM

An odd question, for a fic I'm working on that may or may not ever be posted, but how long do you guys think Saber(from Fate/Stay Night) could stay materialized for without a master?

Seems like she could walk around for pretty much forever, or at least the entire duration of the Grail War, considering Shirou was Shirou. (That is, the way she worked in Fate and UBW seems like like she has the equivalent of Independent Action Rank A. She couldn't use her Noble Phantasm without Master backup, but other than that, magic energy was basically an non-issue.)

SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#12308: Aug 28th 2014 at 5:14:29 AM

That's not what Independent Action means. Epic spirits aren't supposed to be in the world, since they're dead, and the world is constantly trying to kick them out. Energy level has little to do with it. Essentially, a Servant without a contract is vulnerable to the world kicking them out, slowly fading away. The contract with a master acts as an anchor, meaning they only have to worry about the energy needed to maintain their body and fight. Without a contract, a servant suffers the doible whamm of having no energy to keep themselves tgoether AND the planent constsntly trying to delete them. Independent action means they have resistance to being deleted but NOT to not needing energy.

dnc Troll Logician Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Troll Logician
#12309: Aug 28th 2014 at 6:08:44 AM

: /

I meant her magic reserves had the effect of granting her an ability LIKE Independent Action, not that she actually had it. It's kind of like the difference between Eyes of the Mind (False) and Eyes of the Mind (True), they do the same thing, it's just that it comes from different sources. (False comes from instinct, natural talent, True comes from accumulated experience.)

Basically, it's like a guy with a long arm using a shorter sword. He has the same reach as a guy with a short arm using a longer sword, but he gets it from something else.

Though I guess I had written my question in a bad spot, since everything that isn't the last or first sentence tends to be forgotten. How long would Saber last, do you think, if she didn't have a master?

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#12310: Aug 28th 2014 at 7:06:08 AM

Not as long as you seem to think. Minutes at best, I think. Caster only lasted much longer before she met and made a contract with Kuzuki because she was within the bounds of the Ryuudou Temple's barrier, which is noted to make the encompassed area rather supportive of a Servant's existence.

I mean, consider the fact that Independent Action at rank E- (possessed by the soldiers of Iskander's Aionion Hetairoi), which is supposed to be an improvement upon having no Independent Action at all, only allows a Servant to exist without a Master for "30 turns". I don't know what "turn" exactly means in Nasuverse terms, but given all the RPG terminology in use to describe NPs, stats, etc., I would hazard a guess and say that a Nasuverse "turn" is equivalent to the amount of time that is required to complete one gameplay action, which puts it between a few seconds and a little below a minute, to put it generously.

edited 28th Aug '14 7:12:41 AM by MarqFJA

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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Fandom Heretic
#12311: Aug 28th 2014 at 7:08:18 AM

[nja]

edited 28th Aug '14 7:09:45 AM by EvaUnit01

dnc Troll Logician Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Troll Logician
#12312: Aug 28th 2014 at 7:31:41 AM

Huh. Seems kind of contradictory with the UBW ending (not the epilogue) where it states Saber could have stayed in the world even after the grail's destruction because of her remaining magical energy. Considering the grail is stated to be the thing that's supporting the servant the most, it would seem like without a master but with a grail, Saber could stick around for pretty long.

Then again, this is Nasu. : /

[The following is many minutes after what I just wrote, I took a bit to reread caster's section]

It said that Caster normally had enough magical energy to stay for two days after severing the contract, but her master, being a complete and total prick, limited her magical energy to the barest minimum. So it's not a matter of everyone being fucked, but rather, Caster specifically was being fucked in that circumstance.

Assuming Saber started out with a max reserve of A in comparison to Caster's A+, I think she'd last around a day.

Krika Since: Dec, 2010
#12313: Aug 28th 2014 at 7:49:19 AM

She stuck around after UBW because she had a contract with Rin, who being a damn good Magus was able to supply her with enough magic to stick around. Or that's how I understand it anyway.

dnc Troll Logician Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Troll Logician
#12314: Aug 28th 2014 at 8:00:26 AM

That's the epilogue, I meant the actual ENDING, the part where she blasted the grail and disappeared.

Edit: And, well, yeah, Saber could stick around with Rin (with Shirou backup) acting as mana battery. But it seems like the Grail was doing most of the job before then. Cause even Shirou could support Saber while the Grail War was going on, albeit at an impaired state, and he's fucking Shirou. This is especially obvious right before the end, since Rin could supply magical energy (I'd call it mana, but Nasuverse has prana D:) to both Saber and Shirou for excaliblast and limited blade works. (Limited because it's not UBW. *Is shot, but had protection against arrows: rank A*)

edited 28th Aug '14 8:04:22 AM by dnc

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#12315: Aug 28th 2014 at 8:37:31 AM

Saber with Shirou as her Master had to eat a lot to compensate for the lack of mana supply. And yes, I know that she's a Big Eater in the first place; it's just that her circumstances gave her a serious reason to be a Big Eater, whereas normally she just eats because she has a huge apetite and loves good food like Shirou's (Arthurian Britain's cooks were horrible compared to him, which isn't surprising actually).

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#12316: Aug 29th 2014 at 12:43:22 AM

I just had a vision...

Avenger starts his own street vendor empire... by selling the ultimate treat: ANGRA MANJUUS! They taste like puuuuure eeeeeviiiil!

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
dnc Troll Logician Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Troll Logician
#12317: Aug 29th 2014 at 4:33:36 AM

Would be kinda interesting, I guess, like eating rice red during new years. (The manjuu ARE red, right?)

On a separate note, would Illya know how to read? I can't imagine it's something the Einzberns would've taught her. (Unless you need to know how to read to do magic or something. Although even then, Illya wasn't taught as a magus.)

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#12318: Aug 29th 2014 at 9:24:37 AM

Knowing how to read would be something that she'd kind of absolutely need if she had to ever look up anything in a book. It'd be inefficient to have her maids read out to her. I dunno about Kanji, though...

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#12319: Aug 29th 2014 at 9:37:00 AM

But you forget the Einzbern's are utterly incompetent.

I could almost picture them not teaching Illya to read for one reason or another.

Hell, now I'm convinced that the reason Homunculi can have such varied life spans isn't because that's just how it is, but because the Einzbern's are too incompetent to fix the problem.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#12320: Aug 29th 2014 at 10:14:53 AM

I think you've been reading Naruto too long.

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SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
The Mistress
#12321: Aug 29th 2014 at 10:16:43 AM

[up]I think it is more because he has seen you complain about it a bit too much.

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TheNobody Since: Jan, 2011
#12322: Aug 29th 2014 at 11:27:04 AM

Touche.

Rather than smart, I'd prefer to be wise. It would let me be silly more often.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#12323: Aug 29th 2014 at 11:46:32 AM

Hah, no. I'm nowhere near the levels of negativity about the series Rob reaches on a daily basis.

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SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
The Mistress
#12324: Aug 29th 2014 at 11:48:37 AM

Name five things you like about Naruto.

Besides the setting, because it is the only thing I have seen you state that you like.

edited 29th Aug '14 11:49:29 AM by SaintDeltora

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#12325: Aug 29th 2014 at 11:54:14 AM

I can do that!

  • The video games that are 100 times better than the manga.
  • Konan(she has been dead for the last 4 years so nothing has actually made her worse).
  • Orochimaru's theme.
  • Kabuto(before getting Itachi'ed).
  • Madara.

Everything else(aside from the setting) is trash.

edited 29th Aug '14 11:55:25 AM by LordofLore


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