Image was pulled for being a spoiler.: Dark Reprise

This page image was just brought up on Ask The Tropers for having been removed for being a spoiler. Can we find a replacement, or put this one back?

edited 23rd Jan '12 9:08:47 AM by SeptimusHeap

If this is a song trope I wonder why it had an image in the first place

As discussed in the IP thread for Villain Song, it's clear he's a bad guy, and it's clear he's singing. However...the meaning of Dark Reprise is when a "good" song is reprised or dueted in an evil way. Both images are depicting bad songs. While it's possible to communicate a trope like this through images, I don't think this image can do it. We need an image of a good song, then the reprise version that shows they are supposed to be a reprise.

This image has its merits, in some senses—there are definite similar motifs to the first and second. Both have drums, voodoo dolls, tribal masks, the same color scheme, the eerie lights, and of course, the villain. But it's not an example. It's an example of a reprise of a villain song.

In any case, I really don't think you can spoil "the villain is defeated" in a Disney movie. It has always, always happens. Him winning would be a huge spoiler. Losing? Not so much.

edited 23rd Jan '12 10:21:26 AM by helterskelter

The top frame is great for Villain Song, but I don't think the two is very good for Dark Reprise, whether or not it's a spoiler.

Yeah, I'm not sure a trope so auditory by its very nature can be represented by visuals in the first place.

edited 23rd Jan '12 10:49:16 AM by HiddenFacedMatt

That's not why.

It's my own reason.

If I was responding to your post, I'd have used either or quoteblock.

I disagree with it, though. The page image for Villain Song is excellent. Clearly bad, clearly singing, it looks like a big stage number just got finished. For an audio trope, this is a great image. And then there's Noblewoman's Laugh—the posture is perfect, the face is great, and I can almost hear this sort of shrieky controlled laugh coming out of her.

It won't be perfect, but it's damn good.

That something is a song can be visually indicated. That something is a reprise cannot.

Actually, I disagree. I think the second image does fairly represent a reprise. It's just that it's not an example of this trope.

x7- Dark Reprise isn't always related to a song from the good guys- a bad guy song (as shown in the image) can still be upbeat and fit with the trope.

I think the current page image works, as you can tell the first part is part of a musical number and hence the second part (with its contrasting imagery) is the reprise. As for spoilers, I can't imagine people watching a Disney film imagining that the villain is going to win.

Hm...I feel like the trope description is sort of vague. I think what it's going for is Ironic Reprise?

It's the reverse of Triumphant Reprise.

The post started with "Yeah...", which implies it is agreeing with something.

I think the name is fine. Dark Reprise is a dark reprisal of a song from earlier in the work, regardless of its original context.

I didn`t specify which post I was referring to. In hindsight I should have said post 2. I myself was not paying attention to what was being said in which post.

For future reference though it is usually better to assume by default that I am referring to the OP.

I guess the confusion is that people associate dark reprise with evil reprise, when it is really more along the lines of less-pleasant or more-intense reprise.

edited 23rd Jan '12 2:37:06 PM by HiddenFacedMatt

For what it's worth, I removed the image not because it's a spoiler that he loses, but because it's a spoiler how he loses. It's arguably the most unpleasant villain death in the DAC, and it's a surprising changeup from the Disney Villain Death.

I really disagree. He's sucked into...what? The underworld? It's never really explained. You see nothing gruesome happening. He dies. The fact that Dr Facilier struck a bargain with these guys that he must keep isn't a spoiler; I think it naturally follows that he failed to keep his bargain.

As far as brutality—no, there have definitely been worse. Maleficent being stabbed through the heart, Clayton being hung on vines, Ursula being run through with a splintered ship mast, Scar being devoured by hyenas, Syndrome (if you count Pixar) being sucked into a jet turbine...there are definitely way more Squicky, brutal deaths Disney has doled out to their villains.

edited 23rd Jan '12 10:29:08 PM by helterskelter

Bump. Can we get an agreement here?

I'm fine with keeping the pic pulled...no replacement suggestions right now.

An asterisk in the trope discussion hides the following text: "Alternatively, the Dark Reprise can turn out to be bad news for the villain, a good example being the page image. Whether or not the villain's demise makes things better for everyone else tends to vary." Shouldn't this text be removed if you chose to just pull the image away for good?

Probably, but that does not affect the decision to pull the image.

edit: Oh! Didn't realize that decision had been executed. Changed that sentence.

edited 30th Mar '12 12:54:18 PM by rodneyAnonymous

I suggest "Good Morning Baltimore" and its reprise from Hairspray (the stage musical), which are visually distinct in addition to musically distinct.

• In the first song, Tracy is dressed in bright clothing, leaves her cozy home/bedroom, and walks through a sunny Baltimore morning.
• In the second song, Tracy is dressed in drab prison clothing, trapped in a cell, and only lit by a stage spotlight.

I'm having trouble finding good pics online, though.

edited 14th Apr '12 1:48:40 PM by PedroLuchini

I don't see why we should pull it, that image from The Princess And The Frog is brilliant to me: the visuals makes it clear that it's a comparison between two different versions of... well, a musical number. That's the only option to me.

About the Spoiler Policy, well, chances are that very few tropers haven't seen the movie anyway because 1) the movie marking Disney's return to traditional animation, added to its first African-American female lead, made it notable enough that it was what led viewers to theaters in the first place, and 2) it's been out for a while now, relatively speaking, so saying it's a spoiler, while still making sense, makes less sense than, say, it would have after the movie had been out for two-to-six months.

I vote for putting the image back on the article.

That is Fan Myopia. I would like to hear an opinion from someone who hasn't seen it.

I agree. Only cartoon fans and people with kids watch Disney movies.