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TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#15301: Dec 9th 2017 at 11:05:44 PM

Shot:

M17 MHS to Arm Soldiers Down to Team Leader Level

The US Army has announced a decision to field the M17 MHS as a sidearm to more soldiers than were previously issued M9 handguns. Where previously only senior leadership were authorized to carry handguns, with the new M17 and M18 Modular Handgun System squad and team leaders will be authorized. The move is intended to give those leaders greater flexibility in close quarters battle.

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Army Explains New Dual-Arming Policy for Modular Handgun System

The MHS is designed to provide soldiers with more of an offensive weapon than the Cold-War era M9 pistol it is replacing, according to Daryl Eastlick, the deputy of the Lethality Branch at the Maneuver Center of Excellence at Fort Benning, Georgia.

... Arming combat units down to the team-leader level will help bring the MHS into the squad, Eastlick said.

"When I need to go into a confined space, negotiate some battlefield task where one of my hands is busy, I need something I can engage the enemy with with one hand," Eastlick said.

edited 9th Dec '17 11:06:07 PM by TairaMai

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#15302: Dec 10th 2017 at 10:07:41 AM

I like the rounded corners too. Makes it look slightly less fugly.

TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#15303: Dec 10th 2017 at 12:54:19 PM

Overall, the 5th gen Glocks look very nice, and the company's done a decent job again. I'm more into revolvers than semiautomatics, but Glock's still the most popular 9mm in the world for a reason. Or more.

As for the M17 MHS, I think that urban warfare has gotten to the point where carbines and submachine guns aren't maneuverable enough now. Seems like handguns are getting more important within modern warfare now, rather than just a sidearm in the rare event your ammo runs dry. Good choice, army.

Officers aside, I think team leaders throughout military history have been the ones to carry a sidearm, while the rest of the platoon carries extra rifle/MG ammo or grenades.

edited 10th Dec '17 12:57:57 PM by TheWildWestPyro

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#15304: Dec 10th 2017 at 12:59:01 PM

What, people take Glocks into space?

Speaking of them:

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#15305: Dec 10th 2017 at 1:42:14 PM

If we don't see an uptick in WW 1 style charges now that every team leader has a handgun I'm going to be very disappointed in the Army.

Oh really when?
TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#15306: Dec 10th 2017 at 6:11:44 PM

[up] Glock: providing civilians, law enforcement, militaries and the United Nations Space Command with quality sidearms since 1982 grin

[up][up] WW 1 style charges?

edited 10th Dec '17 6:11:50 PM by TheWildWestPyro

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#15307: Dec 10th 2017 at 7:37:11 PM

If they're pushing out the pistol with an eye to urban combat I wonder if they're also looking at super-compact rifles? Something like the MCX Rattler or some of those custom build AR pistols.

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TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#15308: Dec 10th 2017 at 9:51:11 PM

One of the issues is soldier load. A handgun and mags for it isn't as heavy as a SMG or one of those "pistol carbines".

That hasn't stopped Armies like the ROK army, their standard rifle the K1 is a lot like you described.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#15309: Dec 10th 2017 at 10:09:23 PM

I was thinking more along the lines of issuing subcompact carbines as a main weapon for certain team members.

Something like the point and shoot P90 prototype could be potentially interesting as well. I'm just thinking that if they're moving towards using the pistol as a weapon in close urban environments it would be worth looking at something with a longerish barrel and firing a more powerful cartridge.

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TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#15310: Dec 12th 2017 at 6:08:39 PM

[up] So far attempts to do so haven't exactly seen widespread military service. Seems like the handgun is the most compact option.

Considering all the gear the modern soldier carries today, it's probably for the best.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#15311: Dec 12th 2017 at 11:22:22 PM

Went on a M4 range today. So. In my 5th attempt I finally qual'd, with 34 out of 40.

I guess all those time going to ranges ended up rewarding. If nothing else, now I'm very comfortable with iron sights. [lol]

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#15312: Dec 13th 2017 at 7:03:57 AM

Congrats on the qualification! Over the years, qualifying on the range has gone from something weirdly stressful (only the Air Force could take something as fun as getting paid to go range shooting into an arduous and painful process) to something weirdly therapeutic.

After ten years of doing this, it's pretty much the best zen time I get outside of long runs.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#15313: Dec 13th 2017 at 7:51:30 AM

Heh, thanks.

Funny you said "zen". See, for the first time on a range, I actually felt quite...detached while shooting. I just lined up, exhaled, squeezed, rince and repeat.

No wonder why even the army manual explicitly advocates Cold Sniper mentality. XD

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#15314: Dec 13th 2017 at 12:25:39 PM

dRoy: There you go man. See if you can keep getting range time to keep your proficiency up.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#15315: Dec 13th 2017 at 6:48:54 PM

Oh, will do. I will probably go to all the ranges that are available. I hope to eventually unlock "The Expert" achievement...which, come to think of it, only needed two more hits. XP

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#15316: Dec 14th 2017 at 4:23:18 PM

That's the best way to do it — go Zen. Nothing else exists but your eye, the sights, your trigger finger, and the target.

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#15317: Dec 17th 2017 at 8:15:54 PM

Question about concealed carry: Glock 19 vs Glock 26?

(Also known as the world's favorite Glock vs John Wick's backup gun)

edited 17th Dec '17 8:27:12 PM by TheWildWestPyro

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#15318: Dec 18th 2017 at 2:37:46 PM

It all depends on what style of concealed carry you're going with.

Both guns are the same thickness, so whether you're using an inside-the-waistband holster, or an outside-the-waistband belt-slide holster, it's pretty much the same thing — except that the G19 holds more bullets. Same goes for shoulder holsters.

I think the only place the G26 might offer any real advantage is with ankle-holster carry.

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#15319: Dec 18th 2017 at 3:01:44 PM

What about sideboob carry?tongue

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#15320: Dec 18th 2017 at 3:44:46 PM

[up]No. Just... ouch. I get boob pain just thinking about it. xP

edited 18th Dec '17 3:46:41 PM by Euodiachloris

TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#15321: Dec 18th 2017 at 6:30:16 PM

[up][up] Sideboob carry would be pretty impractical and hurt quite a bit.

There are other regions that are a holster that can accommodate much more comfortably, anyway.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#15322: Dec 22nd 2017 at 4:44:26 PM

Sideboob carry is so mind-dumbingly stupid it's not even worth thinking about outside of Adam Sandler-level of comedies.

Then again, if anybody actually tried that in real life I wouldn't be surprised either because hot damn, people can be incomprehensibly stupid with guns.

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#15323: Dec 22nd 2017 at 5:06:11 PM

Don't know if the confusion here is genuine, but by "sideboob carry" I meant "shoulder holster".

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#15324: Dec 22nd 2017 at 5:22:00 PM

Just call it a shoulder holster. What did you even expect people would think of when you said the word "sideboob carry"?

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#15325: Dec 22nd 2017 at 5:42:02 PM

Exactly that. I kept wondering whatever the Hell you'd been imagining that would be so painful. Surely it's obvious: you're carrying your gun flat against the side of your chest. And if your chest is voluptuous, that makes it a sideboob carry. It's not rocket surgery.

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