The Gun Thread

My understanding is that most modern firearms won't go off without some interaction with the fun switch. I have it on good authority that you can drag a Beretta 92 from a Humvee for a few miles of bad road without it going off.

AFP: Lol. The Beretta is actually a pretty safe fire arm. Part of the reason is the safety rolls the firing pin out of the way and can also decock the gun safely in the process. While I may find them too bulky they are pretty safe pistols in general.

US Armies hare brained 7.62mm scheme is already dead.

edited 22nd Sep '17 5:23:02 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Quick, anyone who's surprised, raise your hand.

Yeah, me neither.

Actually, the expression is "hare-brained" (with apologies to Bugs Bunny.)

fixed.

Yeah I am not surprised it is dead. Not exactly a promising program given this particular road has already been traveled in the past.

[[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/22/kalashnikov-statue-to-be-altered-after-sculptors-monumental-error Moscow's new Kalashnikov statue has a little issue]]

He's holding a Stg 44 not an AK 47

edited 23rd Sep '17 3:20:27 AM by 3of4

>Pun in the headline

...Well that journo can go right to hell.

If I'm not mistaken the blueprints on the monument are also that of the STG-44.

I didn't know Wehraboos could sculpt for shit.

I mean, he's a journalist, so if he doesn't put at least one damnation-warranting pun in a headline at least once a month, they take away his copy of the AP Style Guide.

So I was looking at the latest Real Life entry on Reliably Unreliable Guns and would like to ask how everyone feels about the recent controversy over the SIG P320 and its dropping problem.

edited 27th Sep '17 10:31:38 AM by TheWildWestPyro

That it should have been more thoroughly tested.

Beyond the drop safe issue that doesn't make the weapon unreliable. Frankly that entry should be scrubbed as a lazy shoehorn.

In that case, the information on Reliably Unreliable Guns is not going on the P320's entry for Handguns. The edit war over the M9 was bad enough, the least we can do is not repeat it.

Also, it appears that when the news came out, die-hard Glock fanboys launched an offensive and yelled about how the Army should have picked Glock instead. Thankfully it seems to have died down.

edited 27th Sep '17 5:25:09 PM by TheWildWestPyro

Basically the first point on the trope blurb disqualifies the entry as it only fires when dropped in certain conditions.

Frankly the real life section should largely be gutted. It is full of either inaccurate, shoe horned, non-examples, or even examples that over came their flaws after the fact. I would suggest taking it to Ask the Tropers and seeing what others think.

I heard the military version of the 320 doesn't have the drop problem, only the civilian version it's based on.

I wonder how far we could get by submitting everything there to InRangeTV and see what happens.

And yeah, the P320 submission sounds like someone took the TFB bender seriously. I've actually considered applying for the writer opening since they seem to have stopped caring about actually testing things for themselves now...

Interesting. Personally, I still have hopes for the SIG P320.

Also, I'm gonna follow the advice and take it to Ask the Tropers; I'm a little worried that it's going to descend into gun-bashing, which is something we really don't need.

Oh, and what's a TFB bender?

edited 28th Sep '17 1:34:27 PM by TheWildWestPyro

Shortly after the story first broke The Firearm Blog put up a number of articles and opinion pieces within a few days, almost all featuring the same writer wondering whether the P320 and by extension the MHS was drop safe, with nothing done to prove or disprove it outside some unscientific testing.

Thanks!

Spoke to Ask The Tropers; they recommended going to a special forum thread for troublesome RL sections. I can't seem to find it, though.

It is in the Long term projects section.

Courtesy Link for RL clean up. Before it gets added to any crowner they want you to discuss it in the thread first. So head to that section, tell them why you think the section is problematic, and then go from there. If needed you can have a couple people help you out defining where the problems are with the RL section.

edited 29th Sep '17 12:08:52 PM by TuefelHundenIV

One of Murphy's Laws of Combat: Always remember that your weapon was made by the lowest bidder.

Question, is there a difference between a long-stroke gas piston and an operating rod?

Technically speaking yes. Pwiegle will likely correct me if I am wrong on this. The piston is the part that pushes the operating rod by catching gas forces at one end of the piston.

Well, if we're looking at a Kalashnikov action alongside a Garand, the two are very similar in function. I think the main difference is, the AK's piston is directly affixed to the bolt carrier, while the M1's op rod is a separate piece.

But ultimately what it all boils down to is: who designed it, and what they chose to call certain components when they labelled them. If you compare the parts lists for double-action revolvers from Smith & Wesson, Colt, and Ruger, you'll find that the same component part can have three different names, depending on the manufacturer.

I'm not sure if everyone will agree, but I found this NYT article very interesting. Amazing art, too.

If it's not working for you, type the name of the article into Google Search and click on the first link you see.

edited 4th Oct '17 8:50:43 PM by TheWildWestPyro