Yeah, mode useful as a blunt object to maul people than to shoot them.

I think the official competition designation was "Offensive Handgun". Well, its form factor probably doesn't exactly endear itself to anyone needing to use it as a backup during a SHTF situation...

I'm guessing the competition was about who could make the most racist handgun.

"Offensive handgun" is an oxymoron. Handguns are for defensive use. If you know you're going into a gunfight, take along something more than a handgun. A combat shotgun, submachine gun, assault rifle, rocket/grenade launcher, belt-fed machine gun, or tacnuke, depending on your intel and circumstances.

but muh action movies

Speaking of offensive handguns, whatever happened to that .50 cal Russian revolver that started showing up places about a year ago?

I've heard Spetsnaz actually love the thing for some reason.

You mean this thing?

Can't find any references later than 2014.

Yeah that number. The article seems to agree with some others I've found. It's a breaching tool it seems.

I want one

It got nothing on the .600 Nitro Express revolver.

Some important considerations on the differences between clips and magazines.

edited 1st Sep '16 12:45:19 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Weird. I already liked this. And I have no memory of it whatsoever.

♪ Soju, make a fool of you♬...

and now:

t;dr - the ATF had a notice about an explosive component and a lot of people jumped the gun.

edited 5th Sep '16 6:09:14 PM by TairaMai

People do that whenever the ATF does anything.

They could change the branding on the coffee machines in one office and that would trigger a run on gunshops because reasons.

To be fair, the DOJ and the ATF, under the current regime, have tried some shady swipes at gun owners. The biggest was trying to reclass surplus 5.56mm ammo as "non-sporting" and another attempt to have the ATF and EPA ban/restrict lead*** in rounds. Both attempts faceplanted as astroturf was exposed and bureaucrats ran their mouths. But this was sheer tinfoil hat "the ZOG/NWO commin' for mah guz" level of paranoia.

***: Oh the "ban on lead"? A group called "Project Gutpile" appeared that was all "lead shot and bullets are poisoning the wildlife". The "Gutpile" refers to scavengers who eat carcasses. This "Project" was a group of "Concerned" hunters who appeared just as some in Congress and the Whitehouse were pushing more gun bans and restrictions. The EPA and ATF "looked into it"...aaaand the backlash lead to them dropping it with a quickness. "Project Gutpile"? They have disappeared from the internet and forums.

edited 5th Sep '16 6:18:49 PM by TairaMai

Cross post from the other gun thread.

Ok time for some history and considerations of the insanity of weapons makers regardless of their quality.

Now some of you are familiar with the High Impulse Weapon System. A long stroke recoil mechanism shoulder fired shell launcher. It fired a 76mm projectile with a fair bit of recoil. The mechanism worked pretty well at mitigating recoil but it left the system with still enough kick to knock someone over if they were not standing just right. It supposedly had the recoil impulse comparable to the 81mm Mortar.

To counter such vicious recoil impulses the weapon used a long stroke recoil mechanism where the receiver traversed along rails against increasing resistance and once it reached the end of the rails it automatically ejected the spent shell casing. The weapon was marketed to France as the Lacroix Samourai 76mm Urban Warfare Weapon by FN Belgium. That's right FN seriously tried to get this thing on the market with the French. The design had plans for a future 84mm version to compete with the AT-4 matching in both are and point target engagement ranges. As far as can been seen this weapons has never taken off with anyone partly because the recoil is still too high to make it practical.

However what most folks don't know is that FN had done work on two other projectile versions. A 66m projectile and a 40mm grenade launcher version that could fire the much higher pressure 40mmx53mm grenade used by the Mk-19. Reportedly the design was successful to the point that it was considered fairly accurate. The downside is that it was a dedicated grenade launcher in the same vein as the M-79 and it was heavier then the UBGL's due to the recoil mechanism.

For curious who have never seen the weapon. You can see pretty readily why it would be an impractical weapon. the weapon as marketed to the French has a bit of a different "Sci-Fi" gun look to it.

Why would you want that instead of just a rocket launcher.

The idea was it would take the place of some of said launchers due to a lack of back blast and no over pressure at the muzzle. Recoil is unpleasant as shit though.

Despite their reputation, the French can be quite entertaining to follow at a safe distance in a warzone. Their approach to warfare nowadays is best described as "What do I need to get out of this, and what exactly do I need to put into it to get that and nothing more?" They like carefully metered use of force, presumably to avoid getting entangled in long costly wars prone to being used as metaphors for political quagmires like how "Vietnam" gets used for Americans (in fact, that very region is probably the reason for France's preferred approach, along with their lengthy involvement in Afghanistan that no doubt tied down considerable assets).

Does anyone have info (1980s-90s maybe) regarding conversions done to Lee-Enfields and Carcanos to 7.62x39 caliber?

Heard some stuff on it in some forum boards.

Hm?

I don't know about conversions. But there was a company, Australian International Arms, that manufactured Lee-Enfields in 7.62 NATO and 7.62x39. They also used detachable box magazines; the former took M-14 mags while the latter took AK mags.

Unfortunately, AIA was short-lived in the world of business, and only a small number of these rifles were produced. If you can find one, and it's not outrageously overpriced, consider yourself lucky.

Random rambling.

There was a time when I considered immigrating to either US or Australia...simply because they (or at least in some parts) allow possession of guns.

I actually support complete gun control for one city in particular: Detroit. My mom is from Michigan, so I know how bad that city has become. With some neighbourhoods abandoned, gangs have taken up residence in those areas. They are the gonna be the people with the guns.

It would make more sense to fix the city and reduce their foothold. But for the politicians hey lets not save one our crumbled great cities doesn't seem to come across their mind.

edited 11th Sep '16 2:26:46 PM by TuefelHundenIV

I saw that one in my searches for some answers. All I know is that some info provided by a forum board or two mentions that there was such a conversion kit for the Lee Enfield in the 90s.