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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#10876: Mar 3rd 2015 at 1:16:48 PM

since they still had an idiotic attachment to the Light Support Weapon concept,

I'm pretty sure at that point the bulk of the squad's automatic firepower was the M60.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Gjallarhorn Eli from Why did I move to Detroit again? Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
Eli
#10877: Mar 3rd 2015 at 1:21:55 PM

It was, and now it's the 240 if they've got one attached. Doctrine says 75% of a fireteam's firepower comes from the SAW, and 75% of a platoon's firepower comes from the weapon squad. Didn't stop them from trying to use the Colt HBAR, or just M 16 A 1's on full auto.

IIRC, the British L86 is getting a new lease on life as a Designated Marksman Rifle.

I have this mystical skill in the infantry called "typing" First Civ Div, but fuck you once a grunt always disgruntled.
Aprilla Since: Aug, 2010
#10878: Mar 3rd 2015 at 1:43:55 PM

Just finished running through the 2006 movie version of Miami Vice. It's one of my favorite movies.

Anyway, there are two parts where Ricardo Tubbs (played by Jamie Foxx) is using a Heckler and Koch 69A1 grenade launcher as a shotgun, and I wanted figured out exactly how that would work.

Here's the link explaining the mechanism.

If you can't see the link, here's the relevant bit:

Another weapon that Tubbs (Jamie Foxx) uses is a Heckler & Koch HK69A1 Grenade Launcher with the M576 Buckshot round which he uses to the blow the lock off a door at the drug warehouse, and to blow a gaping hole in Yero's (John Ortiz) chest at the end of the film. In the commentary, Michael Mann notes he got the idea to use this weapon from a Vietnam vet who, like many American M79 Gunners/Grenadiers, took part in the practice of removing the plastic explosive and P.I.B.D. detonating mechanism (Composition A5and Point Initiating Base Detonating Fuze) out of the 40mm projectile's body and replaced it with buckshot after the U.S. Military tried finned steel flechettes and determined that their devastating effects on soft targets and proven reliability would be more effective than the new unreliable system despite its superior armor-piercing ability, effectively turning it a one-shot 1.2 Gauge shotgun.

Kinda cool. I didn't know you could do that.

edited 3rd Mar '15 1:44:41 PM by Aprilla

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#10879: Mar 3rd 2015 at 2:13:19 PM

Nope, the L86 is on its way out. It's been replaced in the support weapon role by the Minimi and in the DMR role by the LM7.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
#10880: Mar 3rd 2015 at 2:21:56 PM

The military made the M576 as a purpose made round to give grenadiers a CQC round without having the need to carry a second weapon. To top it off the flechettes had poor performance because of excessive tumbling and being easily deflected by under brush and vegetation. Which is why they used buckshot instead.

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#10881: Mar 3rd 2015 at 2:25:14 PM

But isn't that kind of redundant with the advent of the M203?

"Yup. That tasted purple."
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
#10882: Mar 3rd 2015 at 3:42:36 PM

Not really. The round is still good for room clearing and other CQC scenarios. It can also cover a wider area then rifle in a single shot.

They are not all that common as far as I know though.

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Gjallarhorn Eli from Why did I move to Detroit again? Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
Eli
#10883: Mar 4th 2015 at 5:12:18 AM

The buckshot round is one of those legends, like you know it exists but you'll probably never see it. I've found more D Sh K's and thermite grenades than buckshot 40mm rounds.

I have this mystical skill in the infantry called "typing" First Civ Div, but fuck you once a grunt always disgruntled.
TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#10884: Mar 4th 2015 at 11:37:01 AM

Army Snubs Beretta Again on M9A3 Proposal

Beretta USA said the U.S. Army has rejected the gun-maker’s request that the service reconsider its M 9 A 3 pistol as an alternative to the Modular Handgun System (MHS) program.

Beretta officials sent the Jan. 30 request in response to the Army’s formal rejection of the M 9 A 3 Engineering Change Proposal to the current M9 contract.

“Needless to say, we are disappointed,” Gabriele de Plano, vice president of Beretta Defense Technologies (BDT) Marketing Operations, said in March 2 email.

edited 4th Mar '15 11:37:15 AM by TairaMai

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#10885: Mar 4th 2015 at 11:38:42 AM

So the M9 is probably dead then? Are our fingers and beautiful faces safe from Italian oppression?

Oh really when?
3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#10886: Mar 4th 2015 at 12:22:27 PM

John Woo will keep it alive, no matter what the Army says!

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carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#10887: Mar 14th 2015 at 12:04:39 PM

Submitted without comment.

edited 14th Mar '15 12:05:54 PM by carbon-mantis

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
HGW XX/7
#10888: Mar 14th 2015 at 12:13:30 PM

That's got to be a way to get a stomach full of cordite or some other chemical nasty.

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#10889: Mar 14th 2015 at 12:20:13 PM

I don't know what the going rate for .223 is at the minute but I'm pretty sure that it'd just be cheaper to buy a gas cylinder for the barbecue.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Aprilla Since: Aug, 2010
#10890: Mar 14th 2015 at 1:16:43 PM

[up][up] That reminds me. Haven't we phased out cordite? It was my understanding that cordite has just about been replaced by WC844 ball propellant and some other designs.

edited 14th Mar '15 1:16:59 PM by Aprilla

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
#10891: Mar 14th 2015 at 6:05:13 PM

You might find it in older cartridges and maybe from those who do handloading.

In general no there really isn't cordite in modern ammos anymore. See here I don't think even anything but older artillery rounds use it either.

More general info

edited 14th Mar '15 6:08:50 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#10892: Mar 15th 2015 at 12:03:58 PM

Deadbeat, it's not about cost. It's AMERICA, FUCK YEAH! and America doesn't give a shit about cost.

(See the F-35, or more topical to this thread the AICW. tongue )

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AngelusNox The law in the night from somewhere around nothing Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
The law in the night
#10893: Mar 15th 2015 at 12:29:56 PM

[up]Ironically enough, despise all the cost scandals, at the current production rates the F-35 is already cheaper than the French Rafaele and slightly more expensive than 4.5 gen fighters like the Eurofighter.

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Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#10894: Mar 15th 2015 at 2:39:20 PM

Doesn't mean it's GOOD.

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#10895: Mar 15th 2015 at 3:12:32 PM

But unfortunately, it's the only game in town.

Keep Rolling On
AngelusNox The law in the night from somewhere around nothing Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
The law in the night
#10896: Mar 15th 2015 at 3:18:27 PM

[up][up]

Doesn't mean it is bad either, the Airforce pilots who flew the thing said they loved it and it was much better than the planes they were replacing, mostly due to sensor fusion and digitalized displays.

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#10897: Mar 15th 2015 at 4:08:42 PM

So I think I've found an ideal gun to take vampire hunting. >.>

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
#10898: Mar 15th 2015 at 5:29:53 PM

Ohhhhh...

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#10899: Mar 16th 2015 at 12:09:06 AM

Balls made of garlic-covered, blessed yew and that thing would be the end of your typical vampy problem, yes...

AngelusNox The law in the night from somewhere around nothing Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
The law in the night
#10900: Mar 16th 2015 at 2:29:25 PM

[up]How about wooden stakes seasoned with holy water and garlic?

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