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So just hair?: Bob Haircut get usage counts

I know there's probably a trope here but right now this page is just a list of fictional characters with bob cuts. Is there a certain aspect of a character that bob cut is supposed to represent?

 2 Oreochan, Sun, 8th Jan '12 12:10:17 AM from Pennsylvania
The description doesn't say much about personality types or what it's supposed to represent unlike most of the Hair Tropes like Hot-Blooded Sideburns or Girlish Pigtails. Also, if there are anything associated with it, the name and possibly the trope is People Sit on Chairs. If we are going to keep this trope and maybe refine it, the name might need to be changed because without any adjective attached to it would just encourage misuse. For the most part, I think there it's probably a trope buried under all that

edited 8th Jan '12 12:31:51 AM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
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Well in anime it is usually a sign of a girl to be cute not beautiful (doesn't mean a tomboy) but usually in contrast to another long haired beauty(ies) in the work.
 4 Noir Grimoir, Sun, 8th Jan '12 1:54:25 AM from San Diego, CA
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Well when a girl has short hair it usually means she a tomboy, or just doesn't want to be bothered with hair upkeep and as such has a more business-like personality or doesn't care about 'girly' things. So I's say that's a trope.

edited 8th Jan '12 1:57:13 AM by NoirGrimoir

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 5 Deboss, Sun, 8th Jan '12 2:36:57 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
So, it's related to the Tomboyish Pony Tail?
 6 Oreochan, Sun, 8th Jan '12 2:48:08 AM from Pennsylvania
It's seems to be what it should be about. We probably should add that in the description. Could it be renamed so it won't sound like anyone who has a bob haircut?
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
 7 Noir Grimoir, Sun, 8th Jan '12 2:59:17 AM from San Diego, CA
Rabid Fujoshi
Maybe Boyishly Short Hair. It implies the 'boyish' part and sort of implies the female only part.

edited 8th Jan '12 2:59:37 AM by NoirGrimoir

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That isn't specific to the Bob Haircut though the Bob Haircut isn't used by tomboys much. If anything Bob Haircut is one of the few acceptable girly short hair cuts.

It's used as a cute short hair style girly not super Yamato Nadeshiko girly usually contrasted by someone in long hair. Nabiki Tendo (this hair cut) vs Kasumi Tendo in Ranma ˝ comes to mind as does Madoka vs the rest of the cheerleaders in Negima!. I would say its closer to Light Feminine and Dark Feminine (with this being dark.) especially if it's basically a short haired version of a Hime Cut (with the bangs, side locks and such.)

Tomboys are typically messy short hair (with the same contrast though.) Futari wa Pretty Cure comes to mind there. Or Ritsu / Mio in K-On!.

edited 8th Jan '12 3:55:49 AM by Raso

 9 Noir Grimoir, Sun, 8th Jan '12 5:18:49 AM from San Diego, CA
Rabid Fujoshi
Just a 'bob cut' doesn't mean anything. This needs to be girls with short hair in general, I think, or not at all.

edited 8th Jan '12 5:18:55 AM by NoirGrimoir

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 10 shimaspawn, Sun, 8th Jan '12 8:33:14 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
The Bob means a number of things in Western works:

1) It's an indication of the roaring 20's and any time women are from then they'll sport it.

2) It's an indication that the character is intelligent, proper, and businesslike while still feminine. As such it's sort of a more girlish version of the Power Hair or Prim and Proper Bun, and is often given to younger characters.

3) It's very clean shape gives it a futuristic look and as such is often used with a minimalist décor as part of a futuristic aesthetic.

edited 8th Jan '12 8:35:04 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

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 11 Oreochan, Sun, 8th Jan '12 8:41:36 AM from Pennsylvania
Oh right, it can those things too. What could another possible name suggestion for it would be? I think short hair used to mean tomboy is it's own trope.

edited 8th Jan '12 8:46:15 AM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
This type of hairstyle does appear in a lot of sci fi works

Faith from Mirror's Edge, Leeloo from The Fifth Element, Quorra from TRON: Legacy, Xev from Lexx and the list goes on. Maybe we should split this trope.

edited 8th Jan '12 9:43:02 AM by captainpat

 13 shimaspawn, Sun, 8th Jan '12 8:45:51 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
If someone has a Bob, they're going to be a feminine character even in anime. It's not a tomboy style. Tomboyish short hair tends to be a completely different style. The bob is too high maintenance. If you want to make a trope for tomboyish short hair, take it to YKTTW. It has nothing to do with this trope.

edited 8th Jan '12 8:48:23 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

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 14 Oreochan, Sun, 8th Jan '12 8:51:49 AM from Pennsylvania
That's what I said about tomboyish short hair earlier. I'll YKTTW that since it's not what should probably be about. Could a page action crowner be of use?

edited 8th Jan '12 9:01:54 AM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
Actually, a "bob" is now considered feminine despite being short.

Enough so that a male with a "bob" would be likely to be mistaken for a girl.

I think more discussion is needed before a corwner.

edited 8th Jan '12 10:33:26 AM by Sackett

 
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Me and Shima are on the same page here (Rare.) Boyish Short Hair should be YKTT Wed as a different trope it is related to this.

It is a distinctly girly style (seen it on guys before and well they gets mistaken for a girl a decent amount.)

edited 8th Jan '12 10:51:13 AM by Raso

 17 Oreochan, Sun, 8th Jan '12 10:59:06 AM from Pennsylvania
I'll YKTTW Boyish Short Hair later. Page Action crowner up.
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
 18 shimaspawn, Sun, 8th Jan '12 11:12:55 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I'm not linking the page action crowner because we haven't discussed what action if any needs to be taken. It is far far too early in this conversation for it. So far the entire thread has been a side topic. Let's figure out what if anything is wrong with the page and possible courses of action first instead of just throwing up a crowner. Otherwise we end up going in stupid directions.

edited 8th Jan '12 11:14:03 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 19 Oreochan, Sun, 8th Jan '12 11:13:37 AM from Pennsylvania
Sorry, it was too early, I should have waited. I guess the crowner should be closed then.

edited 8th Jan '12 11:14:36 AM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
Right now the definition is more or less 'just hair'. There is a mention of it being used in the Roaring Twenties but that's it. I liked what I read about it being a 'girlish hair cut for a girl who doesn't want to spend time maintaining it'. That has more meat on it.
 
 21 Oreochan, Sun, 8th Jan '12 2:33:32 PM from Pennsylvania
Yeah the description needs more to it like those two being added.

edited 8th Jan '12 2:38:22 PM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
So lets think about what a Bob Haircut means:

If it's set in the roaring twenties:

  • Associated with the flapper
  • Rebellious / Party Girl
  • Youth
  • Women's Movement (to some extent)

If it's set in more modern times:

  • Feminine yet easy to maintain
  • Practical woman
  • Business woman

Anything else?

edited 14th Jan '12 6:55:29 AM by Sackett

 
 23 shimaspawn, Sat, 14th Jan '12 7:16:18 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
You're missing that it's often used in sci-fi to represent a clean futuristic modern aesthetic. In this case the Bob will have very clean lines, dead straight, blunt cut, no feathering.

edited 14th Jan '12 7:16:49 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 24 Noir Grimoir, Sat, 14th Jan '12 10:18:14 PM from San Diego, CA
Rabid Fujoshi
Yes, like that chick in Tron 2 that Olivia Wilde played.
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 25 shimaspawn, Sat, 14th Jan '12 10:30:42 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Yes, like that. There's also the flight attendants in The Fifth Element. Faith from Mirror's Edge. Cortana in Halo2. It's a common sci-fi style.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick

Alternative Titles: Bob Haircut
27th Jul '12 12:32:25 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:
Bob Haircut is being split into two tropes: Bob haircut to indicate a flapper or the twenties, and bob haircut to indicate a scifi setting. This crowner contains names for both tropes.
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