Alright, so in TRS Badass Gay came up for discussion and it was agreed that there appears to big problem with the Badass X tropes in general, which needs to be sorted out until something can be ruled on for Badass Gay.
Here's a courtesy link: TRS page
. And Badass page with its subtropes. You can also visit the sandbox page here.
Noted Problems include:
- Tropes are just listings of characters people thing are badass who happen to have a certain trait. (The Badass + Trait Problem)
- Badass X as a naming scheme is actually very vague and doesn't give a lot of insight into what the character trope actually is, assuming it is a trope.
- Badass X as a naming scheme proliferates the use of Badass + Trait 'tropes'.
Suggested things to do include:
- Make it a requirement that a badass character trope means a character is "badass because of a trait", or "badass in spite of a trait".
- Renaming away from the Badass X naming scheme as much as possible.
- Cut, redefine or re-purpose things that are just Badass + trait.
There are also a lot of tropes that seem to be valid character-types, but have the naming scheme 'Badass X', when there's more to the trope than that. There are also a lot of prop or event or whatever tropes that need to be gone through as well.
Edited by Berrenta on May 15th 2020 at 7:39:14 AM
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
For What It's Worth
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
After that are we going to do a crowner for what to do about all the wicks or whatever?
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If the currently leading option wins, I'd suggest we do so.
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
Just a minor gripe, but Mary Sue isn't a fan-speak page last time I checked, even though it's indeed example-less.
edited 29th Sep '15 2:15:09 PM by MarqFJA
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Aye, the option is about the page structure.
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The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
So I can edit the crowner entry to remove "Fan Speak" from the description of the option?
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No, because it still applies. The page structure and its type (Fan Speak or not) are two different things.
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The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
... You do realize that I'm not asking to axe the option altogether, right? I'm just asking to remove a couple of words and leave out the rest. And the way the option is written certainly makes it sound that it's talking about making it both exampleless and Fan-Speak.
Compromise: Modify it so that it says "exampleless (and potentially re-typed to a Fan-Speak page)". That makes it clear it's mainly about the structure, but doesn't preclude changing the type.
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NaNo 4328 / 50,000
The point behind making it fanspeak is that there supposedly isn't a consistent pattern of use because people use it to mean absolutely anything. By taking that out of the option I'm not sure what you're actually going for anymore.
It was one of the options I voted for, and I voted for it to be both example-less and Fan Speak. As was said, the idea (at least how I understood it) was that the word "badass" is used in a myriad different ways and no one can agree what exactly it means, kind of like what often happens to Mary Sue.
Exactly. Removing "fanspeak" from the crowner just leaves "exampleless" which doesn't affect the definition.
Your first post sounds like your concern with the crowner's wording is that Mary Sue is not fanspeak and yet is being used as an example of fanspeak. Therefore, there is no reason to remove "fanspeak" from this crowner.
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
Fair enough. Point conceded.
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It's the first of October. Will the crowner close today?
Crowner called in favour of:
- Turn Badass into an example-less Fan Speak page, explaining the most common uses of the word (a la what's done to Mary Sue).
Needs implementation now.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Let's brainstorm a Sandbox writeup!
Hi
If it hasn't already been mentioned, the Sandbox page should note that the word can be used as an adjective for an action and not just a person. I'm sure most, if not all of us, have heard someone say "That was badass!" about something.
The Unknown
Time for the secondary crowner concerning whether or not we should de-wick it.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Let's have a description page up before a dewick crowner. Mary Sue makes a good template IMO for a description.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I'd put up a description, but I don't actually know what we're going to be putting into it. Fighter, cool, skilled, anything else?
edited 1st Oct '15 10:41:55 AM by Arha
That's my problem too. Should we put up the definitions in the crowner as seperate uses or come up with something else?
I'm not very good with writing definitions, to be honest. But I'll help as much as I can.
I agree that we should first make a definition, before voting on wicks. I don't think we need a crowner for the defintion, I'd rather prefer to just brainstorm the options.
We can use various encyclopedic definitions for the word as a start (e.g. Urban Dictionary), and include common misuse from this wiki, too. The most prominent uses of the word, in my experience, are "cool", "cool-looking" (there's a subtle distinction there), and "can kick major ass". Other meanings, however, are also somewhat common.
The Other Troper
"If it hasn't already been mentioned, the Sandbox page should note that the word can be used as an adjective for an action and not just a person. I'm sure most, if not all of us, have heard someone say "That was badass!" about something. "
Heck, I see the term used just as often for actions as people.
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All right. Um, what does FWIW mean?
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