Image is unnecessary and possibly triggering: Domestic Abuser

Speaking as an abuse victim, just seeing the image made me very deeply uncomfortable, and my stomach is still churning from it, even if it didn't give me an out-and-out flashback. Others might not be so lucky.

There is absolutely no reason why this trope needs an image. In fact, I believe that this trope (along with other tropes about common triggers) absolutely should not have an image.

Can we please remove this before it hurts anyone else?

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Trigger_warning (Explaining "trigger" in that context means something specific, not saying we should have such warnings.)

Also the IP thread.

edited 4th Jan '12 11:24:19 PM by rodneyAnonymous

If you don't like it then don't look at it...I'm genuinely sorry about what happened to you and I don't mean to sound callous, but this really isn't a valid reason to ask for a pull (and demand that no more images be put up....come on).

Though maybe we could meet halfway and remove the caption.

edited 4th Jan '12 11:33:13 PM by KaiserMazoku

"Don't like, don't look" doesn't work very well on page images. They're right up there at the top of the page, bigger and more eye-catching than the letters making up the rest of the page. The only way to "not look at it" is to completely avoid going to that page. Ever.

We had a similar situation over the page image for Why Did It Have to Be Snakes?, with non-herpetophobes putting up pictures of real snakes and people with legitimate snake phobias asking that they be removed because even a picture was triggering a phobic episode. I believe for a while we tried a compromise on a picture of a sock-puppet snake that most of the herpetophobes could deal with, even if they didn't like it. Some time prior to early August of last year, that picture was taken down as well.

That said, I don't see that Domestic Abuser needs a page image at all. Certainly not one that is that graphic and gut-wrenching. I don't have that trigger and that picture disturbs me deeply.

edited 5th Jan '12 12:04:55 AM by Madrugada

I can say for certain that the caption is unnecessary. The image's case is less clear however; this complaint is uncommon, so I don't know how we usually handle it.

The closest was: an image for Black Comedy was pulled for the same reason ("insensitivity") a while back—which, incidentally, was also chosen from my suggestion—but a milder image was put in its place. The image was even recycled for Dead Baby Comedy, until the latter trope is set to be merged with the former.

This perhaps needs a mod's opinion.

EDIT: Ninja'd. I suggest we wait for a while and add a "no image" tag in the source code. However, since the complaint is about the image being on the page, it should be safe to be archived at ImageLinks.Domestic Abuser instead.

edited 5th Jan '12 12:05:28 AM by Catalogue

Out of the hundreds of thousands of people who visit this site I don't see why we should have to cater to a tiny minority. That's just Political Correctness Gone Mad.

And saying "You have a very real and serious problem that you cannot control with something we're doing? Suck it up." is just dickish.

Also, I suggest you read the trope pages you pothole to. It's not Political Correctness Gone Mad.

edited 5th Jan '12 12:07:08 AM by Madrugada

That's not what I said and you really didn't address my point.

It is what you said. You said that catering to a tiny minority is just Political Correctness Gone Mad. Here, I'll cut and paste the source code for exactly what you said:

By referring to it as "Having to cater to [them]" you are saying that taking their concerns seriously is doing something special and out of the norm just because they want it. That's the meaning of "catering to". Then you cap it by calling it Political Correctness Gone Mad, when the page you link to with the pothole defines PCGM as 1) "political correctness taken too far, presented through a Granola Girl or Soapbox Sadie who embodies the negative aspects of the PC movement" and 2) "a governmental authority (often a local council) is accused of being over-zealous to the point of parody in trying to avoid offense to minority groups".

edited 5th Jan '12 12:15:48 AM by Madrugada

What I meant when I linked to that page is that we shouldn't pull an image AND never put up any new images just because one person has a personal problem with it. That does NOT mean I'm downplaying the seriousness of the issue at all. I'm saying that this opens up a whole new unpleasant can of worms for debate subject matter on this forum.

The discomfort it can cause to certain people outweighs the explanatory and illustrative qualities it provides to other people. It's only catering to those people if the reverse is true.

Motion to leave page imageless + migrate the current image to Image Links.

EDIT: Hmmm... I agree that to leave it imageless can be a bit extreme. On paper, of course if we can provide a harmless one then we can use it instead, but that would be difficult.

edited 5th Jan '12 12:23:30 AM by Catalogue

Hm, I'm not sure it's political correctness gone mad. The list of things we don't like to have on the top of pages is relatively short. The most common objection on similar grounds is that an image is too scary. Or too gory.

That is a realistic depiction of domestic violence. It's artful, but it's also realistic. I'm a big fan of freedom of expression, but "that image is a trigger" is a different complaint than "I don't like that image".

edited 5th Jan '12 12:34:22 AM by rodneyAnonymous

Homer strangling Bart?◊

Unless this trope is strictly man-on-woman...in which case scratch that

edited 5th Jan '12 12:32:45 AM by KaiserMazoku

Nope. First paragraph explicitly states that the genders are not set for purposes of this trope.

If this page does have an image (and I'd be fine with none), then it should be something with at least some "unrealism" to it. I'm not sure a comedic example would be appropriate, though.

I don't think it needs to be cartoonish. Though Homer strangling Bart is pretty iconic.

I just realized that there's already a similar image on Abusive Parents so I dunno if my suggestion works anymore

But like I said, I'm concerned that using a humorous example sort of runs counter to the intent/purpose of the trope.

Though one could say the same thing about the previously mentioned Abusive Parents pic, so maybe it's moot.

I'm neutral on this one...the pic doesn't bother me, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings for it to go.

If the picture is making people genuinely uncomfortable, then I have no problem taking it down. It's not like the picture is really necessary for understanding what this trope is, anyway.

Vote to pull.

Supporting pull. While I don't have any strong feelings towards the image I can see why it would make people uncomfortable/scared.

Yeah, I don't think we need quite such a realistic take on it. I think leaving it totally imageless might be a bit extreme, though. I'm sure we could find a less graphic version.

Vote to pull. I think it's worth trying to find a less graphic image, but in the meantime, that picture shouldn't really be up there.

So, um, is that enough of a consensus for someone (preferably who isn't bothered by the image, because I sure as hell don't want to look at the page myself while it's still up, however briefly) to at least take it off the front trope page? (Not sure if this has already been done, but when I got my hunny to check last night, it was still up)

Ok, I've flexed my mod muscles and it's pulled. I'm stashing the markup here, in case, for some reason, we decide to put it back up.

% %Image selected per Image Pickin' thread: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1297568014021720100&page=1 % %Please do not change or remove without starting a new thread. [[quoteright:310:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/domabuse_4359.png]] [[caption-width-right:310: What, you disagree?]]

edited 6th Jan '12 3:21:57 PM by Madrugada