Frozen (Disney film)

To be fair, it's not always a terrible idea, but that isnt really frozen-related.

Yeah, well, being related is the crux of the issue here. *Rimshot*

edited 20th Apr '15 5:16:24 PM by spashthebandragon

... or are they?

What, are Elsa and Anna related? Is that what you're asking? Well, one small teeny tiny piece of evidence... They look exactly the freaking same as each other and their mom.

If Elsa isn't related to any human, then she ain't related to Anna.

That is hcobb. His specialt is off the walls theories that have little to do with the work we're talking about and sibling shipping... I point out that even if they're not related the Westermack effect should stop any romance in it's tracks.

That's true. And before says that they grew up not seeing each other, Anna was ~4 when Elsa was locked away.

and I find this relevant to the conversation.

edited 20th Apr '15 7:08:32 PM by spashthebandragon

I just assumed it's because he is the same insane Jimbomcb who created these videos, because that's the same avatar as Jimbomcb's Twitter one, and both has "o c b" in their name. Which is three letters. Frozen 3 confirmed.

edited 20th Apr '15 8:46:37 PM by Tuckerscreator

This post perfectly nailed my thoughts on the matter of the sisters pairing.

I don't really care for pairings, I just look for good stories.

Fuck that. The instant you pair the characters together, it becomes literally impossible for it to be a good story. That's like writing a fanfic where Superman kills people on a whim and makes out with Lex Luthor. Yes, it doesn't have to be poorly written, but it's not portraying the characters properly. Once that happens, it's not even Superman anymore. Now if reading something that off the mark from anything sensible and decent happens to amuse you, fine, good for you. I mean, I have a lower opinon of you for it, but good for you.

Now can we all quit talking about this? I don't like being reminded this godawful stupid pairing exists.

edited 21st Apr '15 4:38:37 AM by spashthebandragon

So, how about that Hans guy? He's a douche.

Anyways, changing the subject, my mom just had a wedding earlier this April to a guy she hadn't been dating for too long. And now they're having a divorce because it turns out the new husband is a jerk. Y'know, when I sat her down and made her watch Frozen, I kinda wish she'd taken it a little more to heart...

The Hans x either sister pairings annoy me almost as much as the Elsanna pairing. I'm sick of the bad boys being excused of whatever they did because they look good.

By the way, there are pairings that become sadly hard to ignore when half or more of the fanfics or fanart is about them...

I'm sorry for your mother, spash. There was actually less than a month between the wedding and the divorce? At least it did not last too long...

edited 21st Apr '15 4:55:32 AM by C105

Thanks. I'm just glad my mom had the willpower to go through with the divorce and not get sucked into the whole "He's a bad boy but he loves me and I can redeem him!" song and dance.

...So that gives her more emotional maturity than all the HansxElsa shippers, not that that's saying much.

edited 21st Apr '15 5:09:21 AM by spashthebandragon

...literally all I said was that I don't give a shit about pairings. I just look for good stories. I don't read stories for the ships, I read them for the plot.

Seriously, the only pairings in my fic are gonna be canon ones, or ones that I consider to be close enough to canon for a confirmation. Or, occasionally, when an OC needs it.

Oh, and comedic value. Never forget the comedic value.

Personally, I don't get caught up in shipping, either liking or disliking ships. I like reading good plots.

edited 21st Apr '15 5:10:57 AM by GeekCodeRed

There should be more Olaf x Sven shipping fics

Of course since Elsa isn't human, any coupling of her with any human is unnatural.

Unless you setting full of aliens, like I have.

x4 Yeah, well, unless you've suddenly changed your stance on Elsanna since the last time you brought it up, my point is still valid.

But let's pretend for a minute that you weren't coyly defending Elsanna and you really did simply mean to say, "Any pairing is good so long as it's a good story." That's still bullshit. You can't just pair any two characters together that you feel like. That completely invalidates the idea of characters having, you know, character traits that can sometimes come into conflict, such as characters being related or mortal enemies or what have you. Saying "any pairing under the sun is okay" is just devaluing the characters of any uniqueness.

...No, I'm literally saying that I don't give a shit about pairings. If a pairing is shit, then the writer is going to go through unbelievable twists and turns to justify it. This would include derailing characters and retconning prior, canonical, actions. With or without that pairing, the story was gonna be shit anyway.

edited 21st Apr '15 6:47:08 AM by GeekCodeRed

But from what you've told me before, you don't believe all Elsanna fics inherently fall into that particular category, which is where I think you're very, very wrong.

edited 21st Apr '15 6:57:49 AM by spashthebandragon

Well, yes, we disagree on that point.