Frozen (Disney film)

That was indeed a monologue in all its glory, complete with Bond Villain Stupidity (no matter how I lamely try to justify it). Maybe he figured that he could get away with it as he figured Elsa was the super and Anna the disposable sidekick.

But it's not Bond Villain Stupidity. Hans would've gotten away with it monologue or no monologue, and I don't really think we should blame him for not predicting that a sentient snowman would happen to find Anna's exact location and use his nose as a lockpick.

Hans had a definite sadistic streak in him, and he had been hiding it far too long. He was great at it, but I figure by that point he just had to vent some of it out, and none better for it than someone who was about to die without being able to tell anyone either way.

He's sadistic and sociopathic, but he's clever. That's why, in my fanfic, he never tries to get revenge on Anna and Elsa. He moves on. He's not petty.

What I meant by Bond Villain Stupidity was that he could have waited for Anna to freeze, or, better, keep the charade long enough to convince Anna that they needed to get wed for the act of true love to work. Of course, his plan would then have been too perfect for the poor girls this time.

Anyway, I do not really mind this scene. The guy had fooled enough people by then to be allowed a little gloating.

edited 22nd Jan '15 10:28:44 AM by C105

Actually, what Hans should have done was just kiss her. She thinks it's true love, he knows it's not, so when it failed he could have just been like "what why did it not work i don't know" and then drag it on long enough for her to actually freeze. Or maybe do a "I'll stay with you until your last moments" thing. Better yet, this way even if Kristoff or Olaf shows up, he could just be like "I'm sorry, please leave us to be sad" and thus head off an attempt by Kristoff to see if his kiss would work.

Moral: If you want your movie to be successful for years, make it about one of the main characters having weather powers. Weather is unpredictable but is always there, and will be forever. People will keep talking about the MC whenever snow drops!

I think I heard the writers were considering having Hans kiss her and having it not work. Don't know if they'd have made Hans evil in that case, though.

The problem with that plan is that Hans had no way of knowing how the magic worked. He might have been worried that if he kissed Anna, she'd be healed just because she believed he loved her.

edited 22nd Jan '15 10:44:19 AM by spashthebandragon

I really like this explanation. The worst part is that it might have worked. Try convincing Anna her "true love" was a fake after that...

Would Elsa have learned how to control her powers in that scenario.

Is not villian bond stupidity but a bond cliche, in the moment he nows about Anna problem, he show how it is and go full monologue, even if people get shock by hans revelation, they are to roll his eye to such a steriotypical goalting, even more considering he get his chance by accident

It's just more satisfying for audiences to have everything explained to them than for the bad guy to stay in pretend mode the whole movie.

Maybe, but explaing in such a typical mode of "ha!, now that my oprotunity have rise I will complete my plan, behold my greatness!" after you play up everyone can be anticlimatic, even more consider who lucky Hans is since this oportuniy relies a lot in luck

Probably not. She would have left back to her castle (or somewhere further), leaving Hans to take care of her little sister as she asks him in the movie when fleeing on the fjord. Brrrr...

Okay, look, being super realistic does not always automatically make something a good story. Frozen is a cartoony Disney movie full of Acceptable Breaks from Reality. The audience just has to accept that people randomly burst into song to express their feelings, and they also have to accept that goofy cartoon people like Oaken and the Duke of Weaseltown exist. It's not about being realistic, it's about telling a good story. Personally, when Hans revealed himself as evil, I wasn't rolling my eyes because I was too busy being surprised. Frankly, I can't think of any other way they could've handled that reveal without making it confusing and anticlimactic. There's nothing wrong with that scene. It was a good scene in a good movie made by people who know what they're doing more than random cynical people on the internet do.

I agree, there are plenty of unrealistic things in this movie, but that is the case for almost all movies. As long as they not go in the way of the actual point of the movie or lessen its impact, that's not a problem.

I was suffering from a severe case of It Was His Sled when watching this scene anyway, but I was too busy wanting to give Anna a warm hug (possibly with a side order of hot cocoa) to bother.

edited 23rd Jan '15 7:05:04 AM by C105

It's also not exactly an uncommon thing for sociopaths to vent out on their victims when they are about to die. Really, it's not like Hans was breaking into an elaborate musical number at the time.

It would've totally fit right in, though.

I would've died laughing if Hans broke out into a musical number during that moment.

Unless the number was just as horrifying as Hellfire.

Really, the movie could've stood to have some kind of musical number at the end. It feels like the songs were all concentrated in the first two acts of the movie. And Lion King's got the same problem, and Mulan might have too... Actually, are there any Disney movies with memorable musical numbers towards the end?

edited 23rd Jan '15 11:52:45 AM by spashthebandragon

I was thinking something along those lines as well. The scene of Hans revealing his plan to Anna being a musical number could have been either ridiculous or horrifying, depending on the song. Then again, imagine if they had gone for that and realised that Hans could not be a villain either after such a powerful song...

And now I'm wondering which kind of musical score could have made this scene really horrifying.

Boy, is Elsa creepy in this video...

US Official in talks with Disney about using Frozen to "come up with some public service announcements to tell the story of the Arctic"

So, if he succeeds in getting Disney's assistance, guess we'll have Elsa star in some PSAs about the melting polar ice caps in the future.

edited 23rd Jan '15 5:09:12 PM by Servbot

Hans' musical number is a cute idea on paper, but I don't think the execution would have worked. Most Disney villains are Large Hams, and their songs tend to work better in that context. Even Frollo can turn the melodramatic ham on when he's going off the deep end. I'd place Hans in the same small group with Sykes and Shan Yu where the villain needs to be played a bit more down to earth to really work, and deliver their sense of colder, more subdued evil.