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AtticusFinch read from You Since: Mar, 2011
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#126: Dec 21st 2011 at 4:31:31 PM

If you want my opinion, you're not arrogant, you just seem to think you know more than you really do.

Which is different than being arrogant. Yes.

I guess more leaping-to-conclusionsy...

edited 21st Dec '11 4:32:17 PM by AtticusFinch

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#127: Dec 21st 2011 at 4:33:23 PM

you just seem to think you know more than you really do.

This actually applies to most people. On the Earth. No one really knows as much as they think they do.

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#128: Dec 21st 2011 at 5:04:03 PM

I'm definitely arrogant in real life, but not, to the best of my knowledge, about my writing.

I've never had any literary ambitions whatsoever - I just write for my own sake. The fact that I'm even considering trying to turn the spinoff of my comics I've mentioned into a webcomic is highly uncharacteristic. I'm not even considering the idea because I really want people to read it, even, as much as I'm just a little tired of dispensing my views on writing without ever actually displaying them in action.

edited 21st Dec '11 5:05:17 PM by nrjxll

ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#129: Dec 21st 2011 at 5:05:46 PM

[up][up] I am not sure if it is a good reflection on you or more of a reflection on what I usually get, or how I usually respond to what I usually get.

I am extremely arrogant, and I will leave it at that.

edited 21st Dec '11 5:06:26 PM by ohsointocats

AtticusFinch read from You Since: Mar, 2011
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#130: Dec 21st 2011 at 5:08:23 PM

Noir: It's something prominent I noticed, take it or leave it, just thought I might as well get it out of the way.

As for the sudden confessions we're spewing out, I don't think it's necessarily any better to claim one is arrogant. It seems superficial...to me?

I feel like it's the type of thing you can only know about your inner workings, but not the person you show to the outer world, which is what important. You might think you're arrogant, but that doesn't mean that's what you're showing to the rest of the world. The person you project could easily be better, or worse.

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EldritchBlueRose The Puzzler from A Really Red Room Since: Apr, 2010
The Puzzler
#131: Dec 21st 2011 at 6:52:46 PM

I like Fantasy and Sci-Fi, because they were the genres my dad read to me and they continue to be the ones I enjoy. I'd like to try other genres, but I'm a bit nervous about stepping into a new frontier (Mystery, Romance, et cetera) or shelling out money for a book I won't like after finishing it.

That is why I have a brother equally (or more so) interested in writing. He has more of the Horror and Thriller stuff, which I borrow with / without asking from time to time. I've been trying to have him read A Game Of Thrones, but he keeps saying that he is too busy. (which he is while he is in college)

Has ADD, plays World of Tanks, thinks up crazy ideas like children making spaceships for Hitler. Occasionally writes them down.
culex2 They think me mad Since: Nov, 2011
They think me mad
#132: Dec 21st 2011 at 8:35:52 PM

[up] "Broadening your Horizons" is a good thing really, you might be missing out on things you'd really enjoy by being unwilling to read outside of the genres you're already accustomed to. Genre and the amount of fantastical elements shouldn't be a big deal in how engaging a story is though anyway imo. Stories are ultimately about the characters, and (for example) someone dealing with the struggles of a war will have the same emotions whether it's taking place in modern America using guns, a medieval fantasy setting with magic, a far future space opera with lasers.

To the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee.
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#133: Dec 21st 2011 at 8:41:04 PM

I'd note that speculative fiction does have one advantage there - it can offer a wider, or at least different set of characters, then a work set entirely in the real world. This is one reason why I tend to dislike Recycled In Space stuff: by simply transplanting elements of the real world, including the people, into a science fiction or fantasy setting, it loses a lot of the potential of the genre.

AManInBlack oh no the snack table Since: Dec, 2011
oh no the snack table
#134: Dec 21st 2011 at 9:16:11 PM

I'd like to try other genres, but I'm a bit nervous about stepping into a new frontier (Mystery, Romance, et cetera) or shelling out money for a book I won't like after finishing it.

Eldritch Blue Rose, Wed, 21st Dec '11 8:52:46 PM from A Library Near You

It's beautiful and so full of deep imagery that it doesn't surprise me to find that it has gone WAY over your head
RocketDude Face Time from AZ, United States Since: May, 2009
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#135: Dec 21st 2011 at 9:20:22 PM

I think the location's just for humor's sake.

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USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#136: Dec 21st 2011 at 9:22:34 PM

I think the only non-speculative fiction stuff I really get into on a regular basis is historical non-fiction.

...

Yes, I'm that nerdy. I read non-fiction history books. Right now A People's History of the United States is up for reading, though I'm rather daunted at the prospect.

I am now known as Flyboy.
EldritchBlueRose The Puzzler from A Really Red Room Since: Apr, 2010
The Puzzler
#137: Dec 21st 2011 at 9:23:59 PM

[up][up][up] And now I look stupid. [lol]

Most of the time I take out non-fiction from the library, but the next time I return books I'll check a few fiction out.

Oh well the best answer is usually the one underneath your nose. [lol]

edited 21st Dec '11 9:25:02 PM by EldritchBlueRose

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AManInBlack oh no the snack table Since: Dec, 2011
oh no the snack table
#138: Dec 21st 2011 at 9:27:31 PM

I read non-fiction history books.

What in the world is wrong with that? I'm working through the Great Shark Hunt right now and it's fantastic.

It's beautiful and so full of deep imagery that it doesn't surprise me to find that it has gone WAY over your head
USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
I changed accounts.
#139: Dec 21st 2011 at 9:34:11 PM

I dunno. I'm always considered the uber-nerd of my history and social studies classes because I basically memorize historical facts and such. When I took US History last year the class held so little interest for me—no real challenge—that I took to just reading the textbook (it was surprisingly well-written, actually).

Then again, one of my goals in life is to teach history and social studies, so this probably makes sense. I'm not nearly so good for other things, like math or science.

I am now known as Flyboy.
Gault Laugh and grow dank! from beyond the kingdom Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: P.S. I love you
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#140: Dec 21st 2011 at 10:04:00 PM

I for one have a deep interest in the subjects of History and Sociology and have at times in the past gone in the internet specifically to look up scholarly articles on subjects such as foreign policy, globalization and philosophy. I don't think it's anything very strange at all- many of these things play major roles in informing how Human history has unfolded up to now and how it may continue into the future. How can someone not be interested in something like that?

I also plan on incorporating an element of historicity into my own projects, for which I will need to do some very broad-ranging research, so indulging my interest only ends up helping my world-building.

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USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
I changed accounts.
#141: Dec 21st 2011 at 10:06:16 PM

Sociology is the science of gentlemen and evil masterminds.

I can live with this just fine. cool

I am now known as Flyboy.
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#142: Dec 21st 2011 at 10:12:56 PM

I've always read up on history, and tried to incorporate it into my works. I'm literally a card-carrying nerd, but I don't think there's anything strange about reading historical nonfiction.

NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Rabid Fujoshi
#143: Dec 21st 2011 at 11:17:27 PM

@Atticus Finch

That wasn't actually meant as a slight on you or your comment, just making a pseudo-philosophical observation.

Man everyone is so defensive. Someone says one thing and suddenly it's personal. Jesus.

edited 21st Dec '11 11:21:09 PM by NoirGrimoir

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culex2 They think me mad Since: Nov, 2011
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#144: Dec 21st 2011 at 11:35:44 PM

Nothing wrong with non-fiction and real historical stuff. Just because it's real doesn't mean it wasn't interesting. Reading non-fiction is valuable anyway to any aspiring writer. ie: If you're interested in writing something involving war, knowing more about how actual warfare has played out through history is very valuable in making the events in your fictional war more plausible.

To the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee.
feotakahari Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer from Looking out at the city Since: Sep, 2009
Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer
#145: Dec 22nd 2011 at 12:31:25 AM

On the cross-genre issue: I believe that there is a lot of value in reading a genre that has little fan overlap with the genre you write in, and stealing ideas from it that your fans won't recognize and will think are original. (For instance, you'd be amazed how readily the common tropes on Fur Affinity can be adapted for horror stories.)

[down]Not just for people who think they're multi-cocked space dragons (to use your example), but also for people who fantasize about being multi-cocked space dragons, and write lengthy stories about what it would be like to slowly transform into a multi-cocked space dragon. If you write for a normal audience, your average reader won't be into that sort of thing, so you can easily turn it into Body Horror. (That's not the only thing I've learned there, of course, but it's the one I've most frequently used.)

edited 22nd Dec '11 12:42:48 AM by feotakahari

That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something Awful
TelosToTheMax I Get Along Since: Dec, 2011
I Get Along
#146: Dec 22nd 2011 at 12:36:57 AM

[up] Isn't Fur Affinity a website for people who think they're multi-cocked space dragons? How does it have tropes and how are those tropes easily applicable to the horror genre?

Talks about art, misses all the points.
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#147: Dec 22nd 2011 at 1:16:45 AM

[up][up]I've certainly considered this kind of thing, though not that specific scenario.

TelosToTheMax I Get Along Since: Dec, 2011
I Get Along
#148: Dec 22nd 2011 at 1:23:00 AM

Vis-รก-vis Transformation in to multi-cocked space dragons: But how does a transformation story which would probably be told for the purpose of masturbation help with the writing of horror? Porn writing, especially when it involves something obscure, tends to be about the ins and outs of what is happening. A transformation porn story would describe in detail what is happening to the body whereas horror is all about letting the human mind play tricks on the reader. If the reader knows all of what is going on and has a clear picture of a person being transformed into a multi-cocked space dragon, they are more likely to find it funny and hard to take seriously. Horror is all about making shit mysterious and playing on base fears, once you start describing things beyond the vague, it becomes dull or laughable.

Talks about art, misses all the points.
feotakahari Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer from Looking out at the city Since: Sep, 2009
Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer
#149: Dec 22nd 2011 at 1:38:15 AM

^ You're right that the required style is different—you can't directly plagiarize a story for a different audience and expect it to do well. But you can take ideas and tropes from it, and rework them to your own standards. (Most of my stories can be traced back to at least five different influences, spanning at least three different genres and at least two different continents.)

That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something Awful
punkreader Since: Dec, 1969
#150: Dec 22nd 2011 at 4:27:20 AM

[up][up][up][up][up]: I really agree with what you said here, Feo. I think that it's quite important.


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