What does TF.N think of Rogue One?
Would that it were so simple.
TFN seems broadly supportive of R1.
Anyway, thinking back to the thing about the Jedi vis-avis Anakin, I think the one thing missing is a narrative where a Jedi's love affair, contrary to the Skywalker marriage, is a generally positive and affirming force in a Jedi's life, and encourages him to leave the life behind, without betraying first principles.
I mean, being a Jedi means, proverbially, negotiating a treaty on Monday, catching a criminal on Tuesday, fighting pirates on Wednesday, uncovering lost lore on Thursday, advising lawmakers on Friday, aiding refugees on Saturday, and fighting in a battle on Sunday — then the weeks starts anew and they do the same thing over again. For years, from the time they are apprenticed to the day they die. That must be exhausting, and someone that might have connections outside the Temple, it would be a deeply alienating life. Like, imagine a Jedi looking at his apartment in the Temple and realize his surroundings haven't changed since he was a boy, that the same crop of five year olds are learning how to use weapons down the hall and after a while, they all start to look the same. That he doesn't have a cultural connection to his homeworld or its people, and the culture inside the order feels artificial and sterile, that he is still listening to Yoda delivering the same lectures as he did when his generation were all children, who looks ageless and stuck in time,while he'll grow old one day and die.
Like, imagine a Jedi Knight visiting a university and wanting so badly to attend because he's something of an intellectual, but his duties mean that he's going to be dumped into a warzone in two days, so no, . Or maybe his father is the Chancellor, and he stays in the Order genuinely out of love, so that he can help the Republic in the best way he knows, or maybe he's simply a patriot, but nevertheless wants a peace dividend in return for his hard work. Like, maybe he makes the opposite choice Obi-Wan does, and leaves the Order, while staying active as a politician in the Senate, which averts the "consumerism" and "hedonism" that Gaon was talking about — maybe the Jedi Knight just really wants to retire from that life.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
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They kinda addressed that a few times in Legends, but the only prominent point I can think of currently is Obi-Wan nearly leaving the Order for Satine, though her being a career politician in charge of a planet nixed that.
I'm pretty sure the Jedi have different paths they can take. They're not all warrior monks. Some like Jocasta Nu and Rig Nema devote themselves to more intellectual pursuits. Others like the Temple Guards are trained mostly for fighting but they don't get randomly shipped off to some alien planet. They're not all like Anakin, Obi-Wan, and the council.
edited 22nd May '17 3:27:35 PM by Kostya
There was an admittedly-now-Legends reference book detailing all the various branches of the Jedi, including an Agricultural Corps, which is insinuated to be the Jedi equivalent of getting Reassigned to Antarctica.
Would that it were so simple.
I want that to remain canon, because it gave those Young Obi-Wan YA novels genuine tension in that there was a bizarrely cutthroat office culture at the Temple where the exceptional ones get sorted and sent for Apprenticeship and the unworthy ones become farmers. Like, it gave a reason why someone might honestly hate the Jedi life for a reason outside hedonism or greed — it's stressful from the first day to the last. Everyone is a competitor, no matter what you do, the work is dull and dehumanizing, and the "Corps is Mother" approach means very, very few are individually recognized.
Despite what they claimed, the Jedi were more like soldiers than they might have liked.
edited 22nd May '17 6:58:29 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Back in the old EU, did Ahsoka get in stories starring her outside TCW?
Would that it were so simple.
There were some books and a couple video games, I think. They were all written when Ahsoka was still something of a Base Breaker, and kind of ignored, actually.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
It feels really odd to find those stories now because of how widely hated Ahsoka was during the time they were written. Compare that to how Ahsoka now is such a huge (and beloved) part of the new canon.
Well her portrayal in Rebels definitely helped with that, I guess. Not to mention as she got better in the actual show.
Brightness
I think I read a post somewhere that said "whatever we thought of her at first, the quad decap was the instant we all realized we had fallen in love with her."
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I remember when Ahsoka first appeared and The Clone Wars first debuted.
It's weird to think about it now, given how the series would progress, but honestly here God if that film wasn't one of the worst things I've seen. Its animation was not, of course, up to theatrical standards, and back then Ahsoka was a fairly blank character that just sort of popped up from nowhere and made Revenge suddenly weird ("Hey, Obi-Wan, remember that time I had an apprentice?" "Who?"). And not only was there a Hutt baby, which would've been cutesy but I suppose ultimately easy enough to accept, there was an inexplicably flamboyantly camp Hutt
◊ with a strange American South accent.
I'm glad to see the series, and the characters it introduced like Ahsoka, were able to escape from that early shadow.
edited 22nd May '17 10:32:58 PM by Lavaeolus
it didnt help asohka concept is very fan fiction, "a young padawan of
Know chararter?" Yeah that is pretty hard to shallow at first, it take a lot of skill to make people care for her like now
edited 22nd May '17 11:05:56 PM by unknowing
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Asoka does have a Disney Canon book.
Where there's life, there's hope.
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You got to admit the cliff climbing AT-TE scene was pretty cool.
Definitely. I actually used to wonder "How are they All Terrain with those stubby legs?" and now I know XD
edited 23rd May '17 8:04:08 AM by theLibrarian
Brightness
Well yeah, but the question was about stuff in Legends.
Gently wrap up this world like the night sky.
Rodians, I'd say. Or Bothans.
LEGENDARY GALE
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Also, it'd be interesting to see Jedi from some of the weirder races. Ewoks, Dugs, Geonosians... probably not Gungans, considering what the fan response would be, but it'd certainly be an interesting sight.
but HOW?
Geonosian Jedi would be outstanding.
Particularly since it'd prove the species survived after their near genocide at the Empire's heyday.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Geonosians are hive-things so I'm not sure an individual one would have the willpower to be a Jedi.
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Poggle seemed to show some individuality in Catalyst, if I recall correctly.
but HOW?Both Poggle and the guy who guards the Queen egg in Rebels show some individualism. Hell the very fact they have a specific position for Archduke and give him a Nom de Guerre ("the Lesser") indicates there is some degree of individualism.
If the species claws out of extinction, it'd be fairly plausible if they became more independent with the death of their entire system of society.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
The Force.net were — and are — prequel-gushers and sequel-bashers. I still lurk their forums from time to time, but the culture there is actually something of a time capsule, since they have a lot of Old EU fans from years and years back. I'm not really a devotee of either camp. I'm careful not to present a Vindicated by History absolution of the prequels because even if I do find TFA to be corporate, soulless, and unimaginative, the prequels are bad independently of that. I'm very much a Rogue One devotee, though.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."