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Drones to Spy on US Citizens:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/15/9476623-domestic-drones-coming-soon-over-a-home-near-you

Robots, buzzing above our heads, and they've seen it, they've seen it all.

To me this isn't all that surprising or even scary - its basically a cheaper alternative to using helicopters, which cops already do, though I'm not pleased by it either.

 
Well, they still can't see you in your house or anything, so to me, it's basically something that, as you said, was already viable with helicopters. I'm not a fan of either, necessarily, but that makes this more of something that already existed, rather than a sign of things getting worse or anything like that.
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Obviously people wont see it that way.

^True.

In fact, this is one of those times when I'm a bit more worried about people's reactions than about what they're reacting to.
 5 Barkey, Fri, 16th Dec '11 12:39:55 AM from Bunker 051 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War Profiteer
Meh, they won't waste time flying them around looking for nothing in particular.. It'll end up being more like pursuit and surveillance that they'll be tasked with. Choppers are too loud for subtle surveillance, and sitting in a car for days sucks, as well as has a chance that you'll be found out and in danger.

I don't forsee police drones being used for anything more nefarious than a helicopter without a pilot.
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 6 Clarste, Fri, 16th Dec '11 2:38:47 AM Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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I love drones.

The reactions in this thread are the opposite of what I expected.

I have mixed feelings about this development. It's less of a threat to privacy than the article tries to make it seem, but I don't want America to turn into the UK. evil grin

edited 16th Dec '11 7:49:55 AM by silver2195

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 8 Oh So Into Cats, Fri, 16th Dec '11 8:00:52 AM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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Robots buzzing overhead to take pictures...

Like Google?
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I have mixed feelings about this development. It's less of a threat to privacy than the article tries to make it seem, but I don't want America to turn into the UK

You what?
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He's/she's got a point, we're pretty pro-keeping an eye on everyone at all times.
 11 Greenmantle, Fri, 16th Dec '11 8:06:49 AM from Thornycroft-land Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Dodge-ing The Water
We don't have drones here — they haven't passed the Safety Case with the CAA (that applies for Military UAVs too).

But we're not that Bad — most cameras are not owned by the Government, after all, and don't cover everywhere...

"To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield" — Alfred, Lord Tennyson
I have mixed feelings about this development. It's less of a threat to privacy than the article tries to make it seem, but I don't want America to turn into the UK.
Yeah, I'd hate for private companies to hold security cameras in the US.

Unserious answer: well, it's not like it matters. Privacy is for paedos anyway.

[up][up] I get the idea that Silver was being facetiousness. I get no such gist from you; I'd recommend reading up on the matter.

edited 16th Dec '11 8:09:32 AM by AllanAssiduity

 
 13 johnnyfog, Fri, 16th Dec '11 8:09:59 AM from NYC Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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This is overkill (why do helicopters not suffice?), but not that serious.
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 14 Greenmantle, Fri, 16th Dec '11 8:11:33 AM from Thornycroft-land Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Yeah, I'd hate for private companies to hold security cameras in the US.

How about Private Citizens?

edited 16th Dec '11 8:11:45 AM by Greenmantle

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Raven Wilder
Doesn't sound like there's anything a drone can see that couldn't also be seen by a guy in a tree with some binoculars and/or night vision goggles, so I don't really see the problem.
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 16 Octo, Fri, 16th Dec '11 9:37:31 AM from Germany
Prince of Dorne
[up]Not only is that equivalence nonsense (drones will always be better equipped, in mobility or recording quality or both), more to the point the consequence of that equivalence would be to do something against such voyeurs, and not to be "meh" abut surveillance drones.
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But the USA ain't turning into a (more) dystopian police state... Nah, not at all. Feel free to keep dismissing those who speak out as wild mass guess.

edited 16th Dec '11 9:46:25 AM by SavageHeathen

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Raven Wilder
Yes, with drones the government can do more spying, but the spying they do can't actually penetrate any deeper than more low-tech methods would.

And, honestly, I don't see the problem with someone (whether a government employee or a freelance peeping tom) spying on people in that fashion. If they actually start trespassing in your home or place of business, yeah, that's wrong. But if all they're doing is standing on public property trying to get a glimpse through the window, then I don't see what the big deal is.
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 19 Octo, Fri, 16th Dec '11 9:52:02 AM from Germany
Prince of Dorne
The big deal is violation of privacy. Which I'd say is very much graver than such light violations of property. I, and only I, have the right to determine how open or closed I am to the world, and how much the world gets to see. "Informational self-determination", which is a derived basic right here.

Gah! US-Americans! It's the same debate as with Google Street View all over...

I really hope the Pirate Party makes it above the 5% barrier next elections here. Prospects are good, and it would be contributing to stopping such shit here.

edited 16th Dec '11 9:53:58 AM by Octo

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Y'know, there is this little invention called "window blinds". You might want to invest in it sometime.
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 21 Fighteer, Fri, 16th Dec '11 10:07:15 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Notionally, we should not have to actively defend ourselves against invasions of privacy.
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Raven Wilder
So if I walk down the street, discussing intimate details of my life on a cell phone, it's other people's responsibility to avoid hearing what I'm saying?
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 23 Fighteer, Fri, 16th Dec '11 10:09:37 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
While it is none of anyone else's business what you're saying, you are doing that in public and therefore have no expectation of privacy.

edited 16th Dec '11 10:10:10 AM by Fighteer

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Prince of Dorne
Plus, normally people don't record stuff. Until we have cyberears and cybereyes with record function, just seeing and hearing are comparatively unproblematic.
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Raven Wilder
[up][up] And if, while remaining on your property, you are perfectly visible and/or audible to someone standing on public property, the same rules apply.

[up] Why's it make a difference whether someone's recording it or not?
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