Vehicle for complaining: Guide Dang It.Game Guides

The whole tree of Guide Dang It! pages leans somewhat towards Complaining About Games You Don't Like, but its section on game guides takes the cake. Basically, it is a page of "things that some people think should have been covered in a game guide, but weren't".

I wonder if there's any point to this in the first place, since Guide Dang It! is a video game trope and obviously a game guide itself is not a video game. I'm leaning towards cutlisting it, but would like some more opinions on the topic, and perhaps this can be salvaged with some heavy cleanup.

Likewise, the subpage for Non Game Examples contains a bunch of entries that are games (and thus should be on another page) and a bunch of entries that are random complaints about anything from computer operating systems to physics quizzes.

Finally, the subpage for Guide Dang It!/Other has no reason to be there; it contains unsorted entries that should be on one of the other subpages.

edited 14th Dec '11 11:33:57 AM by Spark9

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

I'm not entirely sure if we should cutlist it, but I think it should, at the very least, be improved. While editing it 2 days ago, I found a pothole to Moral Event Horizon, because a guide listed story spoilers for a game.

Now, I'll agree that it's something a guide shouldn't do, but I wouldn't go nearly that far.

I say we cut it because we don't need a list of stratgey guide errors.

edited 14th Dec '11 12:41:18 PM by DrStarky

Put me in motion, drink the potion, use the lotion, drain the ocean, cause commotion, fake devotion, entertain a notion, be Nova Scotian

I don't think deleting it is the answer. Instead, I think we should fix the examples so they aren't so negative.

But Guide Dang It! dosen't even really apply to guides.

Allowing guides just leads to another layer of complaining.

Put me in motion, drink the potion, use the lotion, drain the ocean, cause commotion, fake devotion, entertain a notion, be Nova Scotian

Cut It, it's an entire subpage of misuse.

Please tell us what you think the purpose of this page is. Guide Dang It! by definition only applies to games (although one could make a case for board games or TV show games). A guidebook is not a game. How on earth can a guidebook have a situation where you don't know how to reach the end of the book, unless you look it up in another guidebook? Does that even make sense?

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

If an official guide does not contain the answer to said Guide Dang It! I could see a reason to list it.

Like FFX's had 0 info on the Final boss, monster arena and how to level up beyond the normal grid stats.

edited 15th Dec '11 5:54:34 AM by Raso

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

That's a wholly different trope, though: books not containing the information that they are advertised for. That's closer to Covers Always Lie than to this trope.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

It's nowhere close to that trope.

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

Well, it's nowhere close to this trope either, so let's take it to YKTTW.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

I don't really have time to pay attention to a YKTTW right now but I suppose a writeup would go like this.

"So your having trouble with something in a game or want to push 100% on Achievements and shovel out 15$ for the offical Stratagy Guide... Only to find that it's not in there or even worse has flat out wrong info in it. Some guides just end up not complete for various reasons from

• avoiding spoilers (Common ways is to just not give any info on how to fight the Final Boss or Bonus Boss.)
• leaving out End Game or Post Game info, not giving info on enemies weaknesses, drops or stealable items
• various Guide Dang It! secrets like the Infinity +1 Sword
• They Just Didn't Care or rushed to make release date.

Some of these are not on the writers themselves the developers might not of told the writer such and such existed and other reasons.

Fan Made Guides like ones at Game Faqs can be susceptible to this too however not being permanent they can be changed please official examples only.

Sometimes prolific misleading Stratagy Guides can cause Urban Legend of Zelda."

Probably need to clean it up first lol.

Other examples of this trope in other pages need some work too, some of them are so minor that it's stupid and some are just not really a Guide Dang It! like the Final Fantasy XIII example.

edited 15th Dec '11 9:12:47 AM by Raso

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

To inform about the shortcomings of certain game guides.

If the subpage doesn't fit GDI, then we could create a new page for them.

That is not a page we need.

Probably not. But I don't know what else to do with it, and I'm not entirely sure about deleting it.

Eitherway, the current page does not match the trope, it's a subpage made entirely of misuse. Cut it.

I feel torn. Some of the examples on that page are super dramatic, like said potholing to Moral Event Horizon. But I enjoy reading this page overall. I don't want to see it cut. If deleting some of the most negative/melodramatic stuff would save the page, then I would support that.

I liked it better when Questionable Casting was called WTH Casting Agency

I honestly don't find that a sufficient defense for the page. There were people who enjoyed Troper Tales too. This thing is 1) incorrect in its usage of Guide Dang It!, 2) negative by nature, and 3) utterly and completely off-mission. When you add all that up, I think you need a much better reason then "I like to read it" for this page to not be cut.

Cut it unless there's an appropriate place to move it. This is not the trope because guides aren't games, and you don't get lost in a guide when it doesn't tell you what to do.

Fight. Struggle. Endure. Suffer. LIVE.

As people have said, misuse by nature+existing for complaints. Cut. Those who like reading it could save it somewhere.

Infinite Tree: an experimental story

Might actual errors in game guides work for a page, something along the lines of Cowboy BeBop at His Computer? It sounds like just "game guides not covering every aspect of the game" isn't going to make it as a page, but situations where they give the wrong information might work.

Cowboy BeBop at His Computer is for news media.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

I didn't mean put the examples in that specifically, I meant create an analogous page for game guides.

Oh, well, meh, that's an issue for Lost And Found and/or YKTTW.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

There is now a page action crowner for this subpage here.

Given that the description of the trope in question talks about situations in games that are so difficult to figure out that one pretty much has to consult a guide, I think that having a subpage for examples from guides makes little sense. As far as I can tell that page is more about "guides that are not good or guides that fail to explain certain things," which is not what the trope in question seems to be about.

I question the usefulness of an examples page that does not actually appear to feature examples of the trope to which it is attached. In my view, the potential for "complaining about guides you dislike" gives even more reason to cut this subpage as well.

edited 20th Dec '11 12:23:58 PM by LouieW

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