Nisekoi

So many harems would be a hundred chapters shorter if they went for the polyamory route. Manga like Nisekoi must be absolute torture for actual polyamorous people.

Nisekoi continues to bring its A-game for the final stretch. I'm happy with what's happened here. It still hurt for Raku to do what he did, but childhood promises be damned, he knows who he wants to be with.

But with Chitoge, you get Tsgumu by proxy and she has no problem being a Concubine.

Onedera can't even provide a good threesome.

^^ Nothing against polyamory but I think it's a lot harder to write in terms of emotion and audience acceptance.

^ ...Hot mom? Onodera doesn't seem to have a dad.

Only series I know that had polyamory as an option was High School Dx D

edited 14th Jul '16 11:48:28 AM by BlackYakuzu94

And To Love-Ru Darkness might be going there, but who knows if that thing's gonna end one day.

I doubt it. I mean, setting aside my doubts that To Love Ru will ever end at all.

I am so confused here. Onedera being the promised girl, Raku rejecting Onedera are pretty cliche development so far. Raku picking Onedera would be a plot twist.

Cliche, maybe, but that doesn't mean it wasn't handled well.

Choosing Onedera would have been the worse option, even if it would have been a "twist" her and Raku do not have anywhere near the amount of pathos that Raku and Chitoge have, so it wouldn't have any narrative weight beyond being twist for the sake of a subversion of a cliche. And that is the worst type of twist to be honest.

Even if everyone knew it since chapter one that he'd choose Chitoge over Onerdera, we at least got to see the (probably overly drawn out) path it took to get them to this point and finally got some catharsis.

Knight: What do you mean? The cliche is that the childhood marriage promise trumps all other romantic developments or personal chemistry. For this to become a cliche again would require the story to say that haha just kidding it really was Chitoge all along.

It wouldn't be a twist at all. "Children make Childhood Marriage Promise, later meet up and fall in love without remembering, find out and get together" is not a twist. It's a total cliche.

The only thing that would make it a twist in this case would be because the manga has actually developed Chitoge and Raku's relationship over the chapters. Having Raku suddenly decide to hook up with Onodera after that would be unexpected because it's just plain shoddy writing.

The series has way too much padding as it is. It'd be absurd if the last 200 chapters ended up being pure filler between the start and the point where Raku and Onodera confessed to each other. Because that's the only progress they could have had from chapter one.

Onodera should have played the only card she's got that can beat Chitoge: Sister threesome.

Forget Haru, Kosaki Mom is where the real appeal is at.

True, she can't beat Chitoge's mom, but unlike her, she's available. I think. The Onoderas don't have a father, do they? If they do I don't remember him.

Chitoge's mom isn't there much anyway.While Kosaki's easily available.

^^ Roping in Onodera's mom might be difficult though, Haru at least already has a thing for him.

Maybe if they bait her with promising to run the shop together.

It was pretty obvious from chapter 1 that Chitoge would win and Onedera was the promise girl. This is why picking Onedera would be a twist, and this is what the three other ships are holding out on. Raku defaulting on Onedera's promise is not a twist, it was what is expected from the beginning.

The twist is not Chitoge winning, it's the childhood promise not mattering after all.

Childhood promise matters 50% of the time in harems anyway.

It was obvious that Chitoge would win. It was not obvious that Onodera was the promise girl. The cliche would have been Chitoge being the promise girl after all. Onodera being picked despite the name of the manga being based on Chitoge and Raku's relationship would have been a (very stupid) twist.

I think you're mixing up cliche and twist.

Onodera being the promised girl was obvious in the way that she was the first one revealed to have a pendant before we found out there was more than one. But beyond that, she and Chitoge had about an equal chance of being the one depending on what the author wanted to do.

edited 14th Jul '16 7:12:55 PM by LSBK

No, it wouldn't be. Because as said, that's a trope that is a cliche in itself.

The only way it can function as a twist in Nisekoi is for them to deliberately indicate that they won't follow the cliche, and then at the last minute go "hahaha we're doing the cliche without any development"

which would be awful writing

Besides, as obvious as Nisekoi was about this being Chitoge's story, they still managed to include twists by making it seem like the angle they were going for was that Onodera was the Red Herring promise girl and Raku would end up with Chitoge when she was revealed as the real promise girl. So the fact that the promise wasn't followed was still a twist.

edit: I have to saw, this series would have really benefited from either being much shorter or not dealing with the keys so early. Preferably the first.

edited 14th Jul '16 7:25:55 PM by Saiga

Even the length would have been bearable if the actual important plot chapters had been spaced out better. It went at its usual meandering pace and then raced towards the conclusion as soon as Yui showed up without pause.

I think that was also an issue at the beginning of introducing too many plot important things too early. I re-read the start of Nisekoi recently and I was surprised how many things were introduced in the first 30 chapters. I thought it took longer than that.

Especially how quickly Chitoge warms up to Raku.

Yea, I was kind of surprised by everything with Chitoge's Mom happened before chapter 100. It almost makes you feel like the series was supposed to be about a 1/3rd of its length.

What surprises me a bit more is that this series is longer than To Love-Ru was (before Darkness). Now I'm wondering how long Yuragi (Nisekoi's replacement) will run for.

The only thing I can think of that would constitute a real twist ending is a Diabolus ex Machina: Claude shows up again and is pissed off because he's a sore loser. He tries to shoot Raku, but accidentally shoots Chitoge instead. Remember that the storybook originally ended with the princess dying, so it wouldn't be without foreshadowing for the series to end in a tragedy.

edited 18th Jul '16 2:32:57 PM by mythbuster